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Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#71
The homesteading movement is about the very obvious civilization problem that's about to hit.

https://www.cargill.com/story/the-worlds-farmers-are-aging-r...

Nobody wants to be a farmer anymore because of government policies that not only attack farmers, but also spread misinformation against farming.

In the near future, maybe 3-5 years we're going to be forced to spend money as taxpayers to create farmers. The problem is... we've done this before in other industries and it made things worse. There's a 0% chance this will work for farming.

This is set in stone just from a country average. The number of boomer retirees cannot be displaced with workers. Afterall child labour laws etc. Which means we've known about this worker shortage for ~15 years now.

Germany(-4%), Russia(-5%), and South Korea(-6%) are already impacted by this worker shortage. Canada(3%) and Japan(3%) are right on the cusp of starting the problem. The USA, UK, Italy, Spain, France will be a little bit more.

If we do nothing, Germany will be -23%, Russia will be -24%, Canada -11%, South Korea -26%. USA is projected to basically just stave off worker shortage.

You might ask, 'but isnt that happening now' LOL no, not even close. What we need to do, and what Canada is doing. We are basically letting in any immigrants at all. ~400,000 per year. We have a province, PEI which has 140,000 people. We are bringing in multiple provinces worth of people every year to help stave off the worker shortage.

So you know what the homesteading movement is about? It's about creating farmers. You were manipulated.

My recommendation, figure out how to make it easy/automated. Vertical farming, aquaponics, whatever.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#72
Something I've noticed among the "successful" youtube homesteaders is that they almost all invariably have property "in the city" that they rent out (generally unseen, usually unspoken, and always off camera) for significant passive income and treat homesteading like a virtuous hobby. Many of them also have side hustles like giving paid talks on homesteading, renting out "farm experiences", or offering classes on various farming skills etc.

Farmlife is hard as hell and successful farms find ways of leveraging what they grow into hired cheap labor and other efficiencies that takes much of the burden off of the owners. In the case of the popular homesteaders, they don't like to show this much as it takes away from the idyllic lifestyle they are literally making money pushing -- where tilling a field, cutting back brush, or fixing a field drain are 10 second activity clips.

If you want to farm, just go farm, but the homesteading trend in my opinion has smells of a kind of grassroots pyramid scheme where the only way to be successful at it is to bring other people into it.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#73
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I am by no stretch of the imagination homesteading, but I happen to live on a farm. It is not an active farm - the land is rented out to a nearby farmer and the only animals to be seen are a couple of cats and deer like you wouldn't believe. Anyway, just keeping what land is not rented out and the buildings from degrading is nigh on a full-time job in itself; trenches need to be dug and maintained, forest kept at bay…

What you said about the work required to keep buildings from degrading and the forest at bay is so true, but it's something you don't realize until you live it. The other option I've been playing with is to treat homesteading like a hobby. Outsource all the non-core homestead work and insource the gardening, animal husbandry, etc (which is harder to outsource anyway), all while keeping a remote tech job.

-Except the 'remote' part, this is basically what I've done - I work for an engineering company 2.5 miles from home, then tend to the land with my father-in-law on weekends (and evenings if something comes up!)

We grow some fruit and veggies, tinker with the property, trying to improve a little here and there, leaving it in a slightly better state for the next generation (We live here as my wife's family has been living here quite literally since the dark ages; when Columbus wore diapers, my wife's ancestors had already tilled this plot of land for at least a hundred years)

I'd go nuts if it was all I did, though - farming is lonely, hard work. I'd much rather do engineering. Different strokes, &c.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#74
Heh. My inlaws have a "hobby" farm. It is the worst damn hobby I've ever heard of. It is a ton of goddamn work! And they can never go anywhere because the animals need constant care and feeding. It's expensive and endless tasks to do. They're fulfilled and they like it, but they're also trapped by the farm. I enjoy visiting, but that lifestyle aint for me.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#75
I've lived a close-to-homestead life for over two decades. It came naturally as the work I wanted to do required me to live in a very rural area. I farmed as a kid, on a production row-crop farm, but this is wildly different.

The main thing people on the internet leave off is that you have to a) be okay with isolation/alone time, and b) you will work every day of your life.

We set out to make a plot that is as self-sufficient as possible (internet, water, and about 1/4 of our electricity come from the grid still, all other inputs are from our land). It took most of the two decades to get to a point where we can breathe. That doesn't mean 'not work' that means that we aren't doing backbreaking labor as much anymore.

It's the call of the pastoral. People have such rose-tinted glasses about the past and how people lived then. It was hard, dirty, and short.

If you don't find pleasure in the work itself, for the sake of itself, maybe consider a change. That doesn't make you a failure, it makes you practical. Learning is part of it. I learned that I like working with my hands more than I like working in an office. I also learned that it doesn't pay the bills.

If you're different, you're different. So what?

That being said, if it's just the social aspect, find people around you to do things with. We share labor with our neighbors. It's nice because it provides much needed help with the work, and it provides a social aspect. But one thing that holds true, is that, if you are in a really rural area, people tend toward being alone. That's why they live there.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#76
Subsistence farming. Yeah. Not a smart plan. Truth is independence is impossible. Most subsistence farmers around the world are very poor. Chances are you are doing better so congrats. Its quite common that people who move to the backcountry start missing the social functions of a city. Just come back and you will be a wiser person

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#78
> I can't help feel frustrated when I watch my friends in the city enjoy all of the comforts it offers and seemingly pull away from me both financially and socially.

I think the keyword here is "comforts". If we are honest in our world today, it is comfort and convenience that, while we crave them, are, for the most part, causing us grief in terms of environmental, political, cultural and economic impact. So while I understand your reticence and reluctance to forge onward, I do applaud your willingness to journey down this path in the first place.

To my mind, this is an opportunity to re-calibrate your system of values in such a way that homesteading becomes a way to reintegrate yourself with the natural world without trying to dominate it. In doing so, you need not necessarily adhere to an ascetic approach to homesteading, but work to achieve a balanced and fulfilling approach.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#79
I feel that I am of no great use here, but I wonder if "DIY automation" can help you taking some pressure from you.

It seems like there are lots of interesting projects and ideas out there that can help you with "keeping plants alive", maybe some of these can lift some weight of your shoulders?

Maybe you can automate watering some vegetables by using Arduinos and electronically controlled valves and sth. like that. That could free up time which might improve your quality of life?!?

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#80
post #72

Something I've noticed among the "successful" youtube homesteaders is that they almost all invariably have property "in the city" that they rent out (generally unseen, usually unspoken, and always off camera) for significant passive income and treat homesteading like a virtuous hobby. Many of them also have side hustles like giving paid talks on homesteading, renting out "farm experiences", or offering classes on var…

Any time one is consuming "lifestyle media" where a person is advocating a way of living you have to ask these questions:

1) Are they making a non-trivial amount of money just from the advocacy? Are the living off the farm or off YouTube?

2) What other supports might be invisible? Do they have family money? Do they have a cadre of volunteers?

tl, dr; Is this person Talking Their Book?

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