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Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

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Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

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For getting out of the "just follow instructions" rut and for the joy of exploration, I can't recommend Outer Wilds enough. Go in absolutely blind, don't look anything up if you can help it. You'll have to piece together the story from (sometimes pretty obtuse) clues, and you'll have to fly your ship through a quasi-realistic physics simulation. There's no real permanent failure states, and no real dead ends.

I'd be truly shocked if anyone here on this website didn't enjoy this game, if not love it.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/753640/Outer_Wilds/

Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

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I feel like I learned more about business from capitalism lab than from a lot of business books / economic books I've read.

https://www.capitalismlab.com/

Basically just an economy sim but has just the right amount of depth I think. There are several people I've encouraged to play this game just because of how it well it communicates the economics of a software business vs brick and mortar.

Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

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I thought the idea that games can improve thinking and reasoning was debunked? Dedicating your life to chess doesn't mean they can put you in the general's chair and you'll be a military genius, just means you'll be good at chess.

exactly right. the only thing you get better at by playing a game is that game.

That seems like an overly strong claim. It's probably true for many games, where skill in the game leads to no meaningful skill or knowledge outside the game short other games with the same or similar mechanic. But that doesn't mean that games, universally, cannot have some value in imparting either knowledge or skill applicable beyond the game itself.

Take Factorio, as a for-instance. Intended or not (I've never read what the creators themselves thought about when making the game), it does, if someone pays attention, end up teaching the player both how to apply logic and some understanding of systems theory and basic operations research (optimizations). In particular, trying to manage the flow of objects (much like a real factory) through various points and the assembly/processing time. Now, are people sitting down and ending up with a basic understanding of operations research in a technical sense? Probably not, but in an intuitive sense, I'd wager that most come away with something.

Kerbal Space Program is another game that actually does end up forcing players, short absolute brute force like I've seen some people pull off, to consider the rocket equation and orbital dynamics (even if simplified). It spawned multiple series of YouTube videos teaching people higher level math and physics topics.

Human Resource Machine and 7 Billion Humans (second a sequel to the first), can't really be brute forced. You have to learn some semblance of programming skills in order to complete all the challenges, short of cheating and finding solutions online. I suppose someone could try every program permutation and never learn anything, but they'd probably not have finished level 2 or 3 even if they started with the games when they were released.

Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

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post #28

I thought the idea that games can improve thinking and reasoning was debunked? Dedicating your life to chess doesn't mean they can put you in the general's chair and you'll be a military genius, just means you'll be good at chess.

exactly right. the only thing you get better at by playing a game is that game.

While not (directly) a thinking game, I have always thought that playing basketball and handball in my youth taught me how to lose in dignity. Lose without blaming the referee or the other team. It's probably somewhat easier to accept others being objectively better than you in casual adult life situations (e.g. job interviews) when you had to cope with losing in ball games as a kid.

Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

#75

Go board game. This is the one game that changes as the way you change your thinking in life changes. It's also a two way street, in that lessons learned on the board can be applied in your real life decision making and conceptualizations. On the one hand, it's a board game, meant to teach tactics and strategy. On the other, it's a conversation between two players where ideas are laid out, interpreted, and the one-up…

Can you recommend a physical board?

Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

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post #75

Go board game. This is the one game that changes as the way you change your thinking in life changes. It's also a two way street, in that lessons learned on the board can be applied in your real life decision making and conceptualizations. On the one hand, it's a board game, meant to teach tactics and strategy. On the other, it's a conversation between two players where ideas are laid out, interpreted, and the one-up…

Can you recommend a physical board?

Yellow Mountain Imports has a range of high value boards and stones. I recommend getting the real stones and not the cheaper plastic imitations—the tactile difference is worth the modest cost increase.

I have no affiliation, just a happy customer.

Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

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post #20

Texas Hold'em

I'm not a fan of gambling for money conceptually, but I was surprised by how much I learned playing Texas Hold'em for small cash stakes with a group of friends.

I think the most generally applicable thing I learned is the idea of folding a bad hand, and that most of the time you should fold. It seems to come up in regular life quite often, and I used to routinely double down on bad hands in life. It's also impressive how someone who is "ahead" can sort of bully people off the table.

It does seem to be the case that playing for some interesting amount of cash is helpful or even necessary in order to properly stimulate the brain. I hear backgammon for money is totally different as well, with the introduction of the doubling cube.

Re: Ask HN: Which games do you recommend to improve thinking and reasoning?

#79
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This might be a captain obvious-type answer...but have you thought about Chess?

One particular thing I learned from playing chess, which turned out to be applicable in business/office-environment, is the idea of creating "space" for yourself. It's a little hard to convey without making it seem trivial, but let's say someone is acting aggressively, you can sort of box them away from you a bit (in chess you would use pawns for this, in business any proxy will do) and give yourself space to operate (move your pieces around, get you project done), and once you've got them boxed away you can relax and do what you need to do, you don't have to worry about them for a comfortable amount of time.

It's this particular sense of space which I found was improved by playing a fair amount of chess, and there were moments when I had to deal with more aggressive people and I found that I wasn't so flustered because I knew I could create space when I needed it.

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