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Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Dumb question: Why does Alexa need to connect to the internet to turn lights on/off or run timers. What happens when it cannot connect to the Amazon mothership.

It does all voice recognition in the cloud, only the trigger word detection runs locally.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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It was truly a bizarre experience. First we noticed a random intermittent ringing noise in the house and couldn’t figure out what it was. We tracked it down to the Alexa but since there are no logs or notifications we didn’t know what had just happened. It seems the person hung up when they heard us looking around so we never saw any visible indication that anything was happening. Once we figured it out, we then had…

Honestly, I find it amazing that so many people let these things into their homes. The price you pay for such little actual utility isn't worth it. I won't use voice recognition on a single device. Not only do I not trust Google/Amazon, I don't trust that I wouldn't accidentally say something that triggers it to phone a person I'm talking about, or order something expensive in the internet. Home Assistant on my phone…

> I don't trust that I wouldn't accidentally say something that triggers it to phone a person I'm talking about

Someone set their name on Xbox live to something like "XBox turn off" then got people to read his name, which would turn off their console. It's a harmless example, but it shows that people and devices are susceptible to this kind of attack.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Honestly, I find it amazing that so many people let these things into their homes. The price you pay for such little actual utility isn't worth it. I won't use voice recognition on a single device. Not only do I not trust Google/Amazon, I don't trust that I wouldn't accidentally say something that triggers it to phone a person I'm talking about, or order something expensive in the internet. Home Assistant on my phone…

Does anyone's employer have rules about having company meetings (at home) with such devices nearby? Seems potentially risky.

Yes - in fact some firms are recommending they be disabled altogether near work areas, including at home.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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First Television patent was filed as "electromagnetic nervous system manipulation apparatus" US patent 6506148 nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields by monitors That was then.......guess what they are up to now.......

Between your name, the overuse of ellipsis to suggest conspiracy, and the vague usage of "they", I do think you are probably not engaging in good faith.

You're also super wrong.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1773980A/en is the first TV patent, from 1927. Your patent, whatever meaningless thing it might be, is from 2001.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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post #75

First Television patent was filed as "electromagnetic nervous system manipulation apparatus" US patent 6506148 nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields by monitors That was then.......guess what they are up to now.......

Between your name, the overuse of ellipsis to suggest conspiracy, and the vague usage of "they", I do think you are probably not engaging in good faith. You're also super wrong. https://patents.google.com/patent/US1773980A/en is the first TV patent, from 1927. Your patent, whatever meaningless thing it might be, is from 2001.

Talk about wrong. Not even the same patent. The same wording has been used for many different and similar patents.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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This is a terrible suggestion. "Taking Apple's word on it" is not a valid privacy strategy. Companies have shown time and again that they lie about what is happening behind the scenes, or even just change their policies for the worst. Then there are rogue employees, such as the Ubiquiti fiasco, and secret government data collection, such as PRISM, of which Apple was a participant. Apple has broken trust multiple time…

"The CSAM fiasco" was just geeks on the internet being geeks on the internet. And some really bad marketing on Apple's part. The feature itself was perfectly fine, very few people even bothered to read up on it and focused on "OMG APPLE IS SCANNING MY PHOTOS!" without any nuance.

No it was because there were fears that oppressive regimes would pressure apple to scan and flag anti-government images.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I’m also very interested in an answer. We use Alexa a lot, but this week I had to unplug every Alexa in the house because a distant family member had gained access to the family Amazon account and was trying to use the “drop in” feature to listen to our conversations. In the course of our investigation I found out that Alexa does not log privacy related events at all (there is no record of a drop in stored anywhere),…

That deserves its own post. This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics…

Why does a TV even have mics. Crazy world.

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That deserves its own post. This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics…

Why does a TV even have mics. Crazy world.

Because all of the high end TVs contain alexa/google home integrations.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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post #17

I’m also very interested in an answer. We use Alexa a lot, but this week I had to unplug every Alexa in the house because a distant family member had gained access to the family Amazon account and was trying to use the “drop in” feature to listen to our conversations. In the course of our investigation I found out that Alexa does not log privacy related events at all (there is no record of a drop in stored anywhere),…

That deserves its own post. This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics…

> This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics…

Do you have a link for that one?

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