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Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

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Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#71
I'm very sorry for your loss.

Just over five years ago, I lost my wife of 10 years at the age of 36 to pancreatic cancer. She went from seemingly perfectly healthy, athletic even, to deathly ill and passing inside of six months.

It wasn't fair, and in fact was completely tragic because of the person that she was.

Mirroring some advice already here: don't be afraid to cry, to feel. You have to. You also have to reconcile now with any regrets, either to decide that you really don't have them, or to think about how to change your life going forward so as to not create new ones.

But the cold, hard fact is that this is reality, both the thing that happened but also that it happens and will continue to happen. I hope this doesn't sound cold. For me, it was more of a question of "ok, this is reality... now what?"

And I recognize that different people react differently, and circumstances of deaths are very different, too.

I also found myself blogging both for therapy as well as just to connect to all the friends and family out there who shared my tragedy. Maybe something there will be useful to you, too:

https://justinmiller.io/series/grief/

Be well.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#72

I lost my wife in February. We knew it was coming and were able to say goodbye. It doesn't hurt any less. My wife left me an article series to read, in print, but it's also online, and it has proved helpful over and over again especially when I am in the deepest throes of agony. I hope it helps you and your wife: "Help for Those Who Grieve" https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no3-2018-nov-d... You'll benefi…

I lost my mother in April to pancreatic cancer. We knew it was coming and the waiting game was not pleasant. The worst part is, nothing can prepare you for when it does finally happen.

I’m sorry for your loss.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#73
This is going to sound ridiculous, but thinking about time as a 4th dimension helped me. The past never disappears from our universe, it's just the previous page of the book we're reading, and always there just a short distance away along the axis.

This helped me reframe the loss from "they're gone forever" to "they're alive, in the past".

It's now an inaccessible location to you, but the past exists in no less of a real way than the present moment.

And while that's not the page we're on anymore, that ink never fades. You shared those pages with them.

And if it occurs to you to think this way before they're gone, then I hope it also encourages you to fill those pages with the happiest times together that you still can.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#74
The sudden unexpected death of someone close who we rely on for warmth and hope leaves a gaping hole that is literally a wound in our existence. The same can be so for a death that is a long time in the making, and expected, because it is a loss of what is dear to us.

At first we are confronted with absence. Where once there was comfort and inspiration, suddenly there is pain. It hurts to recall the strengths of this person because to animate their memory is to emphasise their distance and test our ability to come to grips with what seems like a permanent disconnection.

Over time, inevitably, as we visit this absence again and again, we see our loss for what it is - the deep impression made by a human being who moved us with a strength of character and and intimate meaning on a deeply personal scale.

At some point, we may begin to see this absence as something more than the personal impression made upon us, and more than just our loss, great though that is.

The space left by the departure of our beloved is never empty. It is the measure of the person. It is them - in silhouette - and we visit them with the respect they command. To see them in this way is to start to reconnect with the strength and joy they brought us, for their energy is still a part of us and it lives on in surprising ways.

We might not even have recognised their presence in us when we expected there would always be more of them to come. But in their absence, we see their silhouette again and again in our daily existence, in the way we respond to the things they used to respond to. They surprise us with their presence every day. In difficult times and in joy, suddenly, there they are. We know exactly what they would have said because we hear them say it. They are with us.

When we see a loved one in this light, we see them in their entirety for the first time. The extent of their reach is revealed to us each time we see them appear anew in the space we at first thought we had been banished to alone.

We weren't alone, and we aren't alone, because the connection we enjoyed has made us who we are, and we are still that person - the composition of our selves and the person who helped to make us who we are. That never changes. It just keeps growing, because each day, as we live our lives being who we are, we touch other people with the same forces that once shaped us. It is then that we begin to see their soul live on through us, with us, beyond us and all around us.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#75
Don't do that. Don't tell people too much that you love them.

Have you seen all those commercials in which they tell you how important you are for them? Then you call when you have a problem and they make you wait one hour in the phone and they don't even help you at all.

You are just idealizing what should have happened, that never happened. You are like a virgin that idealizes what a relationship is, because she never experienced one. Or an American that idealizes socialism/communism because she have never experienced anything remotely similar in reality.

When you don't know about something, you idealize it, you make it perfect, but reality is infinitely complex, and different from your ideal.

I have no problem telling people around me I love them, but that is so easy to do. It is easy to love someone on good times. There are times in which loving someone is extremely hard, like a person becoming an addict or getting in love with an addict or becoming a criminal that decides to steal or be part of a gang.

We had a family member that got in love with a heroine addict. The pain for the entire family was incredible. As this person died from overdoses we had to support the children ourselves and the problems the children had without a parent, like having sex being 13 years old and aborting.

I have been a voluntary in Africa and helped refugees. I helped drug addicts. I have seen lots of situations in which loving someone is extremely painful and they do, they don't tell, they do.

I believe in God, that it probably what makes the biggest difference in the refugees that I have interviewed in all those years.

I am Spaniard, Italy is a lovely place to live. You don't have to do any effort to see the family or friends. It is not North America or the North of Europe in which most people live much more isolated.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#76
This might be a terrible advice but here’s what i did: i drowned myself reading pessimist philosophers literature. This ended up being my source of energy to keep on moving... it worked for me. I dunno about you but here’s my two mexican pesos. Best of things to ya, my fellow human.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#77

do you mourn your own past self, your youth, or even yesterday ? Do you mourn the people who will live when you die, because you won’t get to know them, and they won’t get to know you ? The past and the future are not so different. While some of the past is catalogued in your memories, most of it remains unknown and unexplored, partly predictable, just like the future. enjoy the present and enjoy predicting the futur…

I may be completely missing the mark here, but I'm going to guess that you haven't experienced yet the death of a close relative (parent, sibling).

No doubt you wrote this comment from a place of kindness, but the way it's worded can easily be misinterpreted as dismissive or unempathetic, which is not what you intended.

Next time you come across a grieving person, it may be better to stick with a simple "Sorry for your loss".

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#78
Nick Cave: https://www.theredhandfiles.com/communication-dream-feeling/

"It seems to me, that if we love, we grieve. That’s the deal. That’s the pact. Grief and love are forever intertwined. Grief is the terrible reminder of the depths of our love and, like love, grief is non-negotiable."

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#79
In my church/beliefs, if one prepares, receives the proper ordinances from the proper authority (given by God), and is faithful, then family ties will last beyond the grave -- in other words, you will see them and other loved family members again, and be able to be with them eternally (only by choice; never by force).

There is a scripture: "Thou shalt live together in love, insomuch that thou shalt weep for the loss of them that die,....And it shall come to pass that those that die in me shall not taste of death, for it shall be sweet unto them;....", or in Italian: "Vivete insieme con amore, tanto da piangere per la perdita di coloro che muoiono....E avverrà che coloro che muoiono in me non sentiranno la morte, poiché essa sarà loro dolce;...."

There is also hope for those who died without a chance to receive the ordinances (though they always will always individually make the choices, with their own identity, whether in this life or the next).

And thanks for your suggestion: we will be visiting my dear parents soon.

(edit--lengthened the quote above slightly; improved other wording)

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#80
Both of my parents passed away when I was in my twenties. And both times, it felt like a significant period of my own life had ended, and that I was going to have to live a very different life from that day forward.

Spending time with family and friends who also knew your father in law might help. Writing down what you remember of his stories might help if you’re worried about forgetting them over time.

One thing I wish someone had told me before my parents passed away and that I’d recommend to everyone reading this: if your older relatives have a lot of old photos, spend time with them looking at the photos and talking about them. I have an entire photo collection and I wish I had the context to appreciate it better.

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