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Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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Accepting that I was seen as a leader. I've never wanted a leadership position, I just wanted to build cool shit. I'm good at it. At some point in my career (I've been doing software for 22+ years professionally) people started taking me really seriously. I could no longer make certain jokes and I had to be careful about my opinions because they were taken (in many cases) as "the right thing to do". So I got in all s…

Same experience here. Eventually it just happens. Felt really sudden to me: one day I was a lone wolf, next I had a pack.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

#73
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the first point -- I believe that OP wants the manager to extend trust as a mechanism and path toward both a trusting relationship and short-term performance. For the second -- it is on the manager to know enough about the reasons affecting their report's performance to be able to adapt before the team underperforms. (and it is on the report to surface that information quickly so that the team isn't compromised)

How can this be accomplished? I take great pains not to get involved in my employees' personal lives. When they call out sick, I never ask why. While I do ask if "they need anything", they never have to tell me what they are sick with, or if they are even not sick and just need a day. I assume they are adults who are competent to manage their own time. I once worked with a manager who would always ask for details lik…

I don't think it's prying to care about your employees and want to make sure they are ok. Asking for at least first level details should be done IMO.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who suffers from the same neuroses, I would push back on some of this a bit. If you haven't built trust with every person on your team, that doesn't make you a shitty manager. The more people you can work with and trust, the more effective you may be as a manager, but don't let a counterexample serve as proof positive that you suck. Trust is a two way street. Sometimes people underperform for other reasons…

For the first point -- I believe that OP wants the manager to extend trust as a mechanism and path toward both a trusting relationship and short-term performance. For the second -- it is on the manager to know enough about the reasons affecting their report's performance to be able to adapt before the team underperforms. (and it is on the report to surface that information quickly so that the team isn't compromised)

I understand the first point, but I disagree that is always going to be possible or the correct path. If you blindly trust every employee, you will eventually end up hurting the company, the employee, and yourself.

Second point, sure. That's the ideal. But it's not always going to happen, and you need to be able to deal with that situation to be a well rounded manager and leader. IMO.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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People with a black or white binary thought process. “We either do it or we don’t”. There’s no room for options and implications. I have to constantly remind to move towards options and implications (with assumptions). Thus, shifting the conversation to a probabilistic decision making that includes on opportunity costs. In this scenario, there’s more than one hypotheses and there’s no dominating “winner take all” opt…

Sure there are shades but ultimately as a leader you need to assist your team is making a decision and going forward with it. Your team is there to shade it and give you all the options, even decide on the options. But you are there to break the stalemate and give your team confidence in execution.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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(Throwaway account.)

The company I own got hacked and our database was stolen, containing basic user and company data for 100,000s of users as well as some partial card data. From the moment I discovered the breach (browsing logs after an unexplained brief outage), for the next 3-6 months, my life did not belong to me, but to insurers, forensic investigators, regulators, the police, credit card companies, press/media, and thousands of customers who emailed and called about it. Suddenly my life went from two or three people I would regularly interact with a couple times per week, to dozens of people who were involved in the crisis response, cleanup, and 'remediations' who I would speak to multiple times per 16-18 hour day.

Around the same time, I lost some close friends very suddenly - one to cancer, another to old age. And there was the whole pandemic thing. I still haven't been able to grieve properly about that.

You read about data breaches happening almost every week to various companies large and small, and mutter about how careless they were, or worry about whether you were personally affected. But from the inside, it is a totally different story for those involved (if they have even an ounce of genuine remorse and concern, as I did). Behind the scenes, they are an absolute shit-show. The truth is we had been careful and the hack was due to a compromised vendor, not our own code or networking, but I felt massively responsible and like the worst person in the world. I worked the 16-18 hour days in part to assuage my own guilt, but also because I had nobody else that could. The one saving grace was having good cyber crime insurance (which, I note, is now far more expensive than before - I'd pay it many times over, though).

I'm still not over the incident, and have regular therapy (and regular nightmares) with many days spent unable to really focus on anything. Burnout is real, PTSD is real, and I don't know if I will ever feel truly safe again - I certainly feel that I need to get myself off the internet as soon as possible, and away from any kind of business leadership role. I just cannot ever face something like that ever again.

Thanks

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

#77
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What reason did HR give for you not being able to fire him? I think at least some members of the team would be understanding. Also, I'm not sure if you tried this, but I've heard in cases where you can't fire someone, you recommend them for internal transfer and give the other manager good reviews of them. It's a bit scummy but it's the most positive outcome for the team.

I worked at a company in the US where HR would not let us fire an employee who was viciously attacking other employees in public. The employee in question had a medical condition covered under the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act). Perhaps OP's case was similar.

This sounds like HR is falling down on the job there. ADA accommodations don’t include attacking someone. That’s easily a for-cause reason.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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I was in an odd situation where I was supervisor for teams on major projects after 4.5 years in the industry, at 26. This was a fairly large company in our domain.

This led to quite a few rushed learning experiences for myself, since I hadn't had the same years of mentorship that you'd usually expect.

* Learning how to balance mentoring team members and how to be hands off. It's easy to get into the position where you're spoon feeding the team or haven't built their confidence up. You become the bottle neck and overworked. On the flip side, if you are too hands off, then the important implementation details slip through and you miss out on things you should know, but are not getting bubbled up. It's a hard balance that I still struggle with, and I don't know if any resources truly cover it.

* How to manage under performing employees is a struggle. For example I've had a very senior team member who was struggling with personal issues and it was causing their output at work to be riddled with issues. However we had nobody to cover his areas of expertise and he refused to take time off. Trying to balance this while managing the rest of the team was a real nightmare, which involved pushing them on to lower risk tasks and absorbing more of the load myself till they could work through their issues.

* Setting culture is a difficult one too. Team culture is often top down and leaders need to be aware that everything they do trickles down. However often the negative aspects amplify greatly over positive ones. While I would never compare myself to someone like Linus Torvalds, you can see this in how people try and emulate his negative characteristics (heated project comments) without understanding context or seeing his positive moments. Similarly I was known to be very critical in code reviews, though I went to lengths to soften my feedback and was never harsh. However over time I noticed several junior devs were emulating the criticality of my reviews without picking up on the softening and positive aspects of my reviews. This led to several scenarios where they'd bully other devs in code review and attribute it to my review culture. Anyway again this is something I find difficult to deal with. People naturally amplify negativity and the only way I've found so far is to be vigilant and counter their adopted behaviour early. Whether that's intervening in code reviews, or providing regular work culture refreshers, it is something that's required to maintain a healthy culture.

* On to specific examples of issues I had to struggle with. A lot of the devs on my team were not great at body hygiene. Some didn't bathe regularly. I was literally being asked not to send people to meetings . The only solution was to ask HR to send a strongly worded notice to the whole company to remind them about hygiene and taking some folks aside to gently suggest some mitigations for their hygiene. It was rank.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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Having to smoke out a brilliant but toxic employee. He was a 10x guy but ruined everyone's day constantly. I have learned the power of working with nice people, even if they're not as good as the genius.

Nothing a good toke can't fix.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the "Big five personality traits" model, you have: 1. Openness to experience (inventive/curious vs. consistent/cautious) 2. Conscientiousness (efficient/organized vs. extravagant/careless) 3. Extraversion (outgoing/energetic vs. solitary/reserved) 4. Agreeableness (friendly/compassionate vs. critical/rational) 5. Neuroticism (sensitive/nervous vs. resilient/confident) Excessive neuroticism (aka emotional instabili…

Wow, I feel like I fit both sides of 4 out of the 5 categories depending on the context.

Agreed, I am working on this myself
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