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Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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post #68

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€2M spare cash is not a low barrier. It's not the "easiest method" either. They're fun articles, but realistically very few people can afford this - and if they can, they know.

Yes but OP did not say "low barrier". Had they said that, then you would be correct.

You said it's low barrier. That's the point I'm disagreeing with.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

€2M spare cash is not a low barrier. It's not the "easiest method" either. They're fun articles, but realistically very few people can afford this - and if they can, they know.

Yes but OP did not say "low barrier". Had they said that, then you would be correct.

Arguably having €2M also is not easy. Ignoring the criteria is not very productive for OPs question.

It's easy to get a UK passport if you've already been living here for 6 years on an eligible visa.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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You might be confused but there is a high possibility that such communities have a job section as well as useful content for those who have already moved. We suggest looking through a few websites where you will definitely find vacancies for candidates from all over the world:

ExpatCareers.com Expat.com Expatica.com Iamexpat.nl

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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It's pretty easy to move to (most) European countries really. It's nothing like what you're hearing from people trying to move to the US. Most will just let you stay to work (visa/residence permit) with relatively little bureaucracy. As long as you have a job they won't bother you. There's some other requirements (qualified professional, certain income), but as a software developer you won't have any trouble. Your em…

Does this apply for Germany, Austria, or Sweden? I speak German and have some familiarity with the (German) culture and country through a decade of study and a couple of visits. Less familiar with Sweden, but I fell in love with the country after visiting and was able to pick up some minimal understanding after studying it for a few months, so I don't think getting conversational would be too difficult.

Germany has one of the easiest visas.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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We're a fintech company based in Germany and we've helped a few employees move to Germany from outside EU. If their annual salary is greater than €44k the process is fairly easy. If I recall, we've applied first for their Germany work permit (takes 1-3 weeks in our experience) and then soon after arriving they apply for a Blue Card which allows them to work/travel across the EU. You should get in touch with some of t…

How do I find such recruiters?

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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It's pretty easy to move to (most) European countries really. It's nothing like what you're hearing from people trying to move to the US. Most will just let you stay to work (visa/residence permit) with relatively little bureaucracy. As long as you have a job they won't bother you. There's some other requirements (qualified professional, certain income), but as a software developer you won't have any trouble. Your em…

I’m not sure about the renouncing your old citizenship, at least not in general. I don’t believe Belgium has that for instance.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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It's pretty easy to move to (most) European countries really. It's nothing like what you're hearing from people trying to move to the US. Most will just let you stay to work (visa/residence permit) with relatively little bureaucracy. As long as you have a job they won't bother you. There's some other requirements (qualified professional, certain income), but as a software developer you won't have any trouble. Your em…

Does this apply for Germany, Austria, or Sweden? I speak German and have some familiarity with the (German) culture and country through a decade of study and a couple of visits. Less familiar with Sweden, but I fell in love with the country after visiting and was able to pick up some minimal understanding after studying it for a few months, so I don't think getting conversational would be too difficult.

Getting into Germany is easier than into Austria for a non-eu. Check details for red-white-red card, though. But it takes a few months from what I hear.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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Bucharest is great nowadays if you would like to relocate to Europe. Cheap living, salaries on par with Western Europe, access to good education if you want to pursue interests further, good private healtchare, transporation. Some of the companies that are currently recruiting in the area: Amazon (FirecrackerVM is built there, many Rust jobs), Bitdefender (great cybersec defense company), UiPath (the European unicorn…

I moved to Bucharest from Bangalore and it was anything but easy.

https://sathyabh.at/2020/01/08/salut-bucharest/

Romania has some really regressive policies towards immigration especially for non EU countries such as your dependents not being able to come with you, having to petition to IGI for their approval for family unification (which can take anywhere from 1.5 to 3 months for them to approve even before actually applying for visa), the visa process which is a real pain as mentioned in the article thanks to some poor management of the Embassy in India. COVID made it worse and I’ve been away from wife for more than a year now.

Finding a job is also difficult due to the quotas that they have for foreign workers and that work permits are tied to specific jobs (not very different from H1-B) and that work permits /resident permits need a yearly renewal. Since I was hired as a highly qualified worker, I have it slightly better with work permit/resident permit renewal being once every two years. Permanent residence is an option after 5 years of continuous stays and you need to prove you’ve assimilated well into the society with some tests on history and culture that I’ve not yet researched into.

If you manage to have patience and endure through this though, you might enjoy it.

Bureaucracy is a nightmare but the country is amazing.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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There are a number of ways to move to Europe, or any other country for that matter. Your exact options depend dramatically on your specific situation. Things like which passport(s) do you hold, specific skillset, etc.

In general, my advice to folks looking to move to another country is "simply" to get a job in that country with a company that will sponsor your visa.

Now, one thing that I noticed over the years (and the reason for the double quotes around "simply") is that getting a job overseas is often times not trivial.

Many companies will be reluctant to even consider your application. Maybe they are afraid that you will get home-sick and leave after 6 months, maybe they do not want to deal with visa paperwork, maybe they see your hire as too expensive, maybe they are afraid of language issues... whatever the reason might be.

Whenever I changed continent, I have had most luck applying to companies with a large, mostly international workforce. These companies routinely hire people from all over the world and are used to the associated bureaucracy. They usually have immigration lawyers, which helps. In some cases, they might even have agreements with their host country that will make your visa paperwork much easier and much faster. In some cases there will be no need for a visa at all. Examples include universities and research institutions, large multinationals, NGOs etc.

You say that you do not have a degree. This might matter more in Europe than in other parts of the world but it will not make it impossible for you to find a job. I assume that you already checked out the monthly "Who's Hiring" threads and identified companies sponsoring visas. That would already be a good start.

Hope this was somewhat useful :-)

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was racist / xenophobic - did you really want to post this?

Maybe they should have phrased it better - but there are some places in Paris (an example I'm familiar with) a typical tech worker would make for an awkward situation at best and a dangerous one at worst. Especially if the tech worker doesn't present as a monogamous heterosexual.

Where exactly ?
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