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Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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I don't think so. The current situation suggests that we really need an open-source printer, because otherwise there is no privacy at all.

The question wasn’t whether there was a need. The question was why there isn’t one. That agreement doesn’t prevent you or anyone else from making your own design.

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Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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You answered your question with "apart from the nozzle" It is the nozzle. Everything else is very simple to make because it is already done for 3d printers that are more complex than 2d printers(if you do not consider the nozzle). 5 years or so ago I made a 2d plotter with friends at my 3d printers community with the reverse engineering knowledge that we had about a specific cartridge with nozzles on it. Printing wit…

Why can't you 3D print a nozzle? Or are there electronics in there too?

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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How about laser engraving tech? Can a laser engraver be tight focused to 300 dpi and power set (or sensed) to just make a mark on white paper? Does the positioning accuracy also need to be improved to get that 300 dpi? You'd never run out of toner at least. Edit, answered at least one question: yes engravers do 500 dpi routinely. Here's one: https://www.troteclaser.com/en-us/knowledge/tips-for-laser-u...

I would not consider an engraver for which you have to call to ask the price as "routine". From what I could find, the cheapest trotec is $16k second hand on ebay (and there is another from their cheap line for $56k second hand). You can hire somebody to handwrite everything you need for that kind of money. Also, high power lasers are consumables.

I didn't suggest using an engraver. I was suggesting engraver tech for this thing we're proposing here. The real question is can you get a good result marking paper with a laser? Maybe I worded it poorly first time.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. The current situation suggests that we really need an open-source printer, because otherwise there is no privacy at all.

The question wasn’t whether there was a need. The question was why there isn’t one. That agreement doesn’t prevent you or anyone else from making your own design.

A common answer to "the question" is that passably good printers are dirt cheap, and excellent printers are highly complex multidisciplinary efforts. Things don't exist in the open source world unless somebody has a need, or passion, to make it happen.

Given the availability and complexity, the question becomes "why bother." Microdots are an answer to that.

Then I'd ask, is there a legitimate purpose? Supposing the end goal is a totally open source chip foundry: yeah, you don't want microdots on your masks. Edit: oh god, and printers that won't do b&w without yellow dye available.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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You answered your question with "apart from the nozzle" It is the nozzle. Everything else is very simple to make because it is already done for 3d printers that are more complex than 2d printers(if you do not consider the nozzle). 5 years or so ago I made a 2d plotter with friends at my 3d printers community with the reverse engineering knowledge that we had about a specific cartridge with nozzles on it. Printing wit…

Why can't you 3D print a nozzle? Or are there electronics in there too?

... because the channels through which the ink is propelled are only microns wide, and the ink volumes which are distributed per drop are in the picoliter range which requires a complex piezo-electric control system.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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I have Samsung CLP-310 Color Laser Printer from 2008. It was the last one ever, which you can force-reset so it does count how many times a color cassette been used. I can refill those cassettes from half liter buckets from ebay for €10. It is just incredibly reliable. One and only problem is that only the XP-windows Samsung printer drivers work truly well. But I have 2008 laptop for that.

I used the open source foo2zjs driver with this printer successfully for quite a while in case that's helpful.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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I worked for a while in the R&D department of HP printer division. As @jacquesm said, good 2D printer costs peanuts. The amount of R&D in color quality, speed and other parameters is huge. There were a lot of teams involved: mechanical, electrical, software, chemical... And because of that investment, there are thousands of patents that the big players are continuously paying each other for. It's a very old market wi…

There are lots of DIY plotters, but printers are just way more complicated.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Because RepRap [1]. Proprietary 3D printers already were on the market.

Because you can print 3D printer with 3D printer. You can make paper templates with paper template.

[1] How he started the worldwide 3D printing revolution / Adrian Bowyer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV0Tjwq7Uc0

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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99% of FOSS consumers only care about free beer, hence the uptake on MIT like licenses.

Where did you derive that number from?

Gut feeling from what gets discussed over here and other channels when someone posts news about commercial tools or GPL dual licensed based stuff.

Hordes of complains about paying for something, followed by MIT like licenses based clones.

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