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Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Some things that have been extremely useful for me: Play video games that require intense focus for prolonged durations to perform well like Starcraft 2, CSGO, DOTA 2 helped me build mental endurance. Reduce social media. I’ve found that this was the most productive. Social media was fragmenting my attention by making me anxious and addicted. After I reduced Reddit and Facebook usage, my mental discipline increased d…

You can also play video games that teach you things which are marginally useful in your life e.g. Paradox Grand Strategy titles (History) or games like Factorio (Systems design / "Programming") or even TIS-100 (actual programming)

Funny enough, I spent a few weeks binging on a somewhat realistic civil war sim called "Ultimate General: Civil War" which I think teaches (civil war era) military tactics and military history quite effectively. I now know all of the famous civil war battles pretty well.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I had a similar problem where the the bigger / the more complex the task in front of me was, the more my brain resisted to getting started and the more i procrasitnated. I came up with a fundamentally "agile" solution: break the problems down into smaller tasks until the first task is too small to offer resistance. E.g. rather than "write architecture specification", start with "outline the heads for architecture spe…

Very good advice, additionally, I would build habits that help you get things accomplished.

For example, get up early every day, get ready and go directly to an area where the only thing you do is work on your tasks and you force yourself to accomplish at least a task while you are there. It's amazing how your point of view changes once you don't have to think about what you will do next and when you will do it.

“Eighty percent of success is showing up,” is absolutely true. Especially, if you don't have to think about it.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I don't have a magic fix, but a few things that have worked for me, in different contexts: - Remove your options. If possible, turn off your WiFi, router and phone. If I don't have an easy way to distract myself, it's easier for me to get "into the zone", and for my brain to really engage. - Convince yourself to spend 5 minutes taking a stab at the problem. If you need to, set a timer. You can do anything for 5 minut…

I found "Surround yourself, people, you want to emulate " works very well for me, especially if I surround my self with people that I aspire to.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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You need a good behavioral model to understand why you do the things you do. It’s best if you create your own, based on your particular strengths and tendencies, by researching about behavior and keeping a journal to accelerate your learning like a field scientist.

But here’s a quick general model to get started:

1. Consider 4 drivers of behavior: Need Levels (serotonin/oxytocin), Activation Level (norepinephrine/stress vs relaxation rest), Energy Level (glucose/glycogen vs insulin spikes and energy conservation), Drive/Learned Behavior (dopamine/learned reward behavior vs helplessness).

2. If you have big needs, ie you are needy because of say chronically low serotonin levels, you will be more desperate to seek pleasure, even if that runs counter to your stated goals (stay up late binging, even though it will lower your ability to perform at work).

3. You need energy to mentally process, so to be a high performer at work, you need to pattern your life to have max energy at work. So exercise and eat well to be energetic between 9-5. This might mean addressing general neediness, otherwise you will keep doing destructive behavior outside work, that will harm your performance. You won’t go to the gym, won’t eat the healthy food because you are too busy addressing desperate pleasure.

4. If you don’t improve your general energy level, you will tend to overuse stress elevators, like caffeine and harsh self-talk, but over the long run that will impair your health, make you physically weaker, while also impairing accurate self-awareness (because it becomes too necessary for you to believe good things about yourself even if false).

5. Your learned approaches to solving problems, aka getting rewards, have to be trained by you. Dopaminergenic systems that deliver ‘drive’ when you are confident the outcome will result in success. You need to learn how to approach challenges at work to get immediate rewards of serotonin and oxytocin. For example, how to approach your work to get approval from colleagues, or how to approach your work to receive intrinsic reward like problem simplification (which rewards by lowering the mental burden of the problem), or aesthetic beauty creation etc...

You might see in your life several problem behaviors through this model, but one that stands out to me is related to #5, you don’t have effective strategies to get more immediate reward out of hard problems. That’s typical, especially in people with high standards. When training people to be more effective, I teach them to break up hard problems into steps, but also to appreciate the process of working on problems from different angles. Because then they start to see short term rewards that they can achieve in the process of working toward their goals... What is your process for analyzing the problem? What is your process for collaborating on the problem with others? What tools do you use? This way you will find that a hard problem, that initially looks like a barren forest with a single reward after a 100 miles of journey, is transformed into many pockets of orchards where you can look for trees with low hanging fruits of short term pleasure... Each day you get up and look for fruit, you can sustain yourself on a single hard problem for years like this, speaking from personal experience.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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post #38

Take a look at Dr peterson personality test 'understand myself'. Maybe you have a open personality also named creative and it often work in opposition do industriousness. In that case maybe your are more suited to chaotic endeavor where you can thrive in the unexpected while other drown into it. Let's say you get a new job, are you at your best at the beginning where everything is new or have you better energy when t…

I have a hard time finding such personality tests helpful. What job would a trained SWE do if he discovers his high openness? Switch from Java to Javascript?

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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There is the potential that you have ADHD, because what you're describing sounds similar to my situation. I eventually ended up on stimulant medication to help, but there's non-stimulant medication available (if you're opposed to eating amphetamines for breakfast), as well as counselling and other treatment options that don't involve medication. Even if you don't want to seek professional treatment, you could look up…

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Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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post #23

Some things that have been extremely useful for me: Play video games that require intense focus for prolonged durations to perform well like Starcraft 2, CSGO, DOTA 2 helped me build mental endurance. Reduce social media. I’ve found that this was the most productive. Social media was fragmenting my attention by making me anxious and addicted. After I reduced Reddit and Facebook usage, my mental discipline increased d…

Genuinely curious, does playing video games really improve focus etc.? Is this anecdotal, or did you read some paper somewhere?

As a software engineer who also plays plenty of video games, I would say that it largely depends on the kind of game you play as well as HOW you play it.

I find games that require lots of exploring, solving puzzles helps improve my focus. In most FPS games, this only works if you strategize your approach in gaming. E.g considering the next X moves ahead, scoping vantage points etc.

Also, when I just need to clear my head, I personally find that there's nothing like games (besides exercise).

Fun anecdote, when I met my SO, she was in incredibly into exercise and I was not. But I was very much into games. We ended up influencing each other. Now we game & exercise together..

I think overall it's a net positive if done in moderation.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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you might have trauma (little t trauma), which feels weird to call trauma because its not obvious trauma (death, car accident, abuse etc) but still affects you a lot and your feelings are still just as valid and they are there and real. Try to allocate a long time, like 2 hours to focus on something that you know you have to do. Observe how it feels physically, in your body. For me, my throat tightens up and my chest…

Relate as well and agree with this approach. I'm still working through it. Even right now, as I watch the minutes countdown to the hour when I will begin again. I found the works of Dr Gabor Mate to be quite helpful (talks available on YouTube and I found a lot of value in his book When the Body Says No, especially the second half which I think you could just pick up and read). He primarily focuses on drug addiction but in doing so dives deeply into dealing with trauma. Another source that has been helpful to me is Oprah, her Super Soul Sunday podcast is great (browse the titles and pick any that seem interesting to you). And of course I wholly second the recommendations for therapy, understanding that one's perspective may not be the full picture can be life changing.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I'm going to guess that you're going to get more mileage out of cutting something out of your life than in adopting yet another mindset, habit, drug or whatever. Some possible things that might work: * youtube/netflix * social media * news * sugar * video games These are the things your brain goes towards automatically as an easier "win" than in facing the harder problem. Cutting them out will leave room for you to f…

>These are the things your brain goes towards automatically as an easier "win" than in facing the harder problem. Cutting them out will leave room for you to face harder challenges.

This completely changes my perspectives as to why I get up from my desk to go grab a snack, look at my phone, etc. Thank you

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