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Ask HN: How comfortable do you feel using cloud-based password managers?

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Re: Ask HN: How comfortable do you feel using cloud-based password managers?

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You could say I put a lot of trust in Google, as I use the built-in password manager in Chrome. My rationale is the following:

1. My browser vendor can access my browser passwords anyway.

2. It's better to trust fewer vendors and pieces of software.

3. Copying passwords to clipboard is awfully insecure.

4. Trying to remember all passwords is also awfully insecure.

I do not save any money-related passwords. I do dream of switching to pass from time to time.

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You could say I put a lot of trust in Google, as I use the built-in password manager in Chrome. My rationale is the following: 1. My browser vendor can access my browser passwords anyway. 2. It's better to trust fewer vendors and pieces of software. 3. Copying passwords to clipboard is awfully insecure. 4. Trying to remember all passwords is also awfully insecure. I do not save any money-related passwords. I do dream…

1. Is not necessarily true. If you use an open source browser like firefox, your browser vendor would absolutely not be able to access your passwords (...without creating a huge scandal where users would catch up immediately)

3. Can actually be mitigated, or other options can be used. For example, in my browser I disabled JavaScript clipboard access, so that random websites can't access my passwords. You mention pass, aan excellent non cloud option, which I personally use with a script that types in the password as if it was a keyboard - but Firefox and chrome plugins with autofill are available, and those are offline.

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Sometime ago, I bought 1Password for iOS, then Mac, mostly for convenience and I was happy with it until I got no viable way to use it on Windows simply because their client still in early development sucked. After some time again they stopped caring about the local db feature and for me that was it. I Moved immediately to Keepass and never looked back. The reason was because I can find a client for nearly every plat…

This is also what I do. Password managers are one of those few applications where I find it vitally important to not be subject to the whims of a particular company. Even semi-abandonware (like some things I used pre-KeePass) is preferable to an actively maintained product, if said abandonware is open source and something I can keep tweaking into working.

I also find it extremely important for my password manager to be available on EVERY platform I might use. Not just the popular ones a company can make a business case to support. Historically this has been a bigger issue than at present, but its still a big one to me.

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You could say I put a lot of trust in Google, as I use the built-in password manager in Chrome. My rationale is the following: 1. My browser vendor can access my browser passwords anyway. 2. It's better to trust fewer vendors and pieces of software. 3. Copying passwords to clipboard is awfully insecure. 4. Trying to remember all passwords is also awfully insecure. I do not save any money-related passwords. I do dream…

1. Is not necessarily true. If you use an open source browser like firefox, your browser vendor would absolutely not be able to access your passwords (...without creating a huge scandal where users would catch up immediately) 3. Can actually be mitigated, or other options can be used. For example, in my browser I disabled JavaScript clipboard access, so that random websites can't access my passwords. You mention pass…

1. Is most certainly true. Everything you type needs to be entered, and your browser probably has undo/repeat, which means a stack of your text is available too, it's still an application at the end of the day

Re: Ask HN: How comfortable do you feel using cloud-based password managers?

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I've used pretty much every password manager under the sun at one point or another. Lastpass, 1Password, Bitwarden, Dashlane, Remembear, KeePass(X) and I've finally settled on regular ol' pass. I never really understood how it "syncs" but it's just git! Push and pull to update on every device. I use a private repo since site names are still metadata. You could put the whole directory tree in a tomb as well but that e…

I'd love to start using pass but I find managing gpg keys troubling (perhaps due to my lack of knowledge). Does your setup require copying the same key to each device? What would happen if someone got your gpg key? What would happen if you lost the key?

pass can encrypt to multiple keys. I use one key for my laptop and one for my phone. If someone gets your gpg key then they can decrypt all your passwords if they also get the repository. It would be prudent to change all your passwords in this case (pass-rotate could help a little with this). If you lose the key, you lose access to all your passwords.

Re: Ask HN: How comfortable do you feel using cloud-based password managers?

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I'd love to start using pass but I find managing gpg keys troubling (perhaps due to my lack of knowledge). Does your setup require copying the same key to each device? What would happen if someone got your gpg key? What would happen if you lost the key?

pass can encrypt to multiple keys. I use one key for my laptop and one for my phone. If someone gets your gpg key then they can decrypt all your passwords if they also get the repository. It would be prudent to change all your passwords in this case (pass-rotate could help a little with this). If you lose the key, you lose access to all your passwords.

worth also noting that that when I used to use Android, I didn't need multiple keys - my GPG key was on my yubikey neo, and i could plug it into my laptop to decrypt passwords there or tap it to my phone to decrypt passwords there. not possible on iOS due to Apple not opening up NFC to developers, so now I have pass set up to encrypt to two keys.

Re: Ask HN: How comfortable do you feel using cloud-based password managers?

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I gave up on cloud-based password managers. My current setup: On non-critical services(social media etc.) or websites with U2F, I reuse passwords. For everything else, I use Purse[0] with Yubikey. [0] https://github.com/drduh/Purse

but in case you have 3 computers, how to sync passwords?

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I'd love to start using pass but I find managing gpg keys troubling (perhaps due to my lack of knowledge). Does your setup require copying the same key to each device? What would happen if someone got your gpg key? What would happen if you lost the key?

I think GPG keys get a lot of flack for not being the most user friendly thing and probably fair enough. The nature of them having to remain secret, makes managing them a bit confusing. I don't use mine for anything more than signing commits and (rarely) encrypting secrets Personally, I use OpenKeychain[1] on Android, Kleopatra[2] on Linux, GPG Suite[3] on macOS and Pass[4] for iOS/iPadOS Phew, that's a lotta apps bu…

> Pass on my iPad is quite literally just a pull to refresh. I would have thought it'd be much more painful with all the GPG nonsense in play!

FWIW, the pull to refresh effectively just runs `git pull`. GPG isn't involved.

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