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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#72
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I love how there are these two parallel threads going in HNville: (1) COLLEGE SUCKS BURN IT DOWN and (2) "I'd like to learn complex things like machine learning and math that take more than reading 5 blog posts to master, how do I do it"? Sometimes this place just cracks me up. I honestly think the answer is pretty simple: go to college. It doesn't have to be expensive. Take a community college course in calculus or…

>What you shouldn't do is try to self-study by reading a book. My experience has been that this is exactly how college math works; you pay for self-study. The professor reads directly out of a book (in poor English), or off of pre-made slides provided with the book, for 2-4 hours per week, and then you are left to do the problems from the book on your own time. Class populations are so large that if everyone had aske…

There are other benefits beyond being able to ask questions.

Tests and deadlines provide motivation to do the actual work.

Having a curriculum means that the content is laid out in a logical order that the professor believes should be achievable.

There is a stupid amount of information out there. Breaking it down into a progression that students can follow in order to learn and understand it is incredibly important.

If you're motivated enough then sure maybe you can just buy and read the textbook, although sometimes professors deviate from that when it's wrong.

> Class populations are so large that if everyone had asked clarifying questions, we wouldn't have completed the readings.

Good thing not everybody asks, and those that do ask are generally asking questions shared by a good chunk of the class.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#73
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What you shouldn't do is try to self-study by reading a book. My experience has been that this is exactly how college math works; you pay for self-study. The professor reads directly out of a book (in poor English), or off of pre-made slides provided with the book, for 2-4 hours per week, and then you are left to do the problems from the book on your own time. Class populations are so large that if everyone had aske…

There are other benefits beyond being able to ask questions. Tests and deadlines provide motivation to do the actual work. Having a curriculum means that the content is laid out in a logical order that the professor believes should be achievable. There is a stupid amount of information out there. Breaking it down into a progression that students can follow in order to learn and understand it is incredibly important.…

> Tests and deadlines provide motivation to do the actual work.

This is so true in my experience. As a young man I could listen to the lecture and say "Yeah, yeah, I got this." and then try to work the homework problems and realize that no, I didn't really understand it. It is hard to force yourself to do the work if you don't have a negative externality for not doing it.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#74
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What you shouldn't do is try to self-study by reading a book. My experience has been that this is exactly how college math works; you pay for self-study. The professor reads directly out of a book (in poor English), or off of pre-made slides provided with the book, for 2-4 hours per week, and then you are left to do the problems from the book on your own time. Class populations are so large that if everyone had aske…

There are other benefits beyond being able to ask questions. Tests and deadlines provide motivation to do the actual work. Having a curriculum means that the content is laid out in a logical order that the professor believes should be achievable. There is a stupid amount of information out there. Breaking it down into a progression that students can follow in order to learn and understand it is incredibly important.…

What you're saying is agreeable: taking a class provides a certain level of motivation that self-study doesn't provide, for most people. That doesn't conflict with the idea that typical college courses have little tangible value added. If you're ok paying a couple of grand for extra motivation, then I hope you truly have a good reason to be doing so, and that it pays off. This type of system doesn't really support people who just want to learn for the sake of it though.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#75

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_logic_symbols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_mathematical_symbols These might help a bit. But as someone with similar problems, I'm beginning to think there's no real solution other than thousands of hours of studying.

There are a number of Wikipedia pages which catalog various uses of symbols for various disciplines:

Outline_of_mathematics#Mathematical_notation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_mathematics#Mathema...

List_of_mathematical_symbols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols

List_of_mathematical_symbols_by_subject https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols_b...

Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics,_science,_and_engineering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_letters_used_in_mathemat...

Latin_letters_used_in_mathematics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_letters_used_in_mathemat...

For learning the names of symbols (and maybe also their meaning as conventially utilized in a particular field at a particular time in history), spaced repetition with flashcards with a tool like Anki may be helpful.

For typesetting, e.g. Jupyter Notebook uses MathJax to render LaTeX with JS.

latex2sympy may also be helpful for learning notation.

… data-science#mathematical-notation https://wrdrd.github.io/docs/consulting/data-science#mathema...

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#76
post #69

I love how there are these two parallel threads going in HNville: (1) COLLEGE SUCKS BURN IT DOWN and (2) "I'd like to learn complex things like machine learning and math that take more than reading 5 blog posts to master, how do I do it"? Sometimes this place just cracks me up. I honestly think the answer is pretty simple: go to college. It doesn't have to be expensive. Take a community college course in calculus or…

>What you shouldn't do is try to self-study by reading a book. My experience has been that this is exactly how college math works; you pay for self-study. The professor reads directly out of a book (in poor English), or off of pre-made slides provided with the book, for 2-4 hours per week, and then you are left to do the problems from the book on your own time. Class populations are so large that if everyone had aske…

The best class I've ever been to in 5 years of university was a pure maths class (topology and linear analysis) that I took as an elective (I think this is the word). If I'm ever in charge of teaching a class, of mathematics at least, this is how I will do it.

The format was like this: the classes were 2h long, and the professor would begin with an exposition: first a short recap of the previous class, then introducing the new material for the day, new concepts, definitions, the starting point for the day's class. This could take anywhere from 5 minutes to up to 30 or 40.

After that, we were handed a work-sheet. It contained the definitions/summary of the concepts that were just introduced, then a series of exercises. Now this is the core of it: the main part of the class was working through these in order. The exercises were structured so that the rest of the material was learned by doing, by working out through the exercises. They would e.g. ask to prove interesting consequences, or important theorems that followed from the definitions at the start. The professor would point out an exercise, read it aloud, comment on the "meaning" of the problem or what it's meant to demonstrate or similar remarks, then give us some time to figure it out. After a bit, he would ask someone that completed it to present his/her reasoning. Now note that this part required real effort from the part of the professor. I tremendously admire him for this because it required him to listen carefully and think through the proof presented by the student, something which is more difficult than, say, presenting and explaining his own proof on the blackboard. Anyway, he would listen to it, comment ("you could have simplified here", "you didn't consider this case there", etc.), perhaps ask some other students for alternative approaches, or maybe give an alternative approach himself if necessary. By doing this we would learn the rest of the material by working it out from those principles; in a way in a sort of "narrative" that had a thematic "chapter" in each class and an overarching "story" for the whole class.

In summary, only about 10 minutes at the start would be real exposition. This usually amounted to stating definitions or axioms to work with for the rest of the class. The rest of the material -- any theorems, conclusions, etc. -- were worked out.

I have some difficulty concentrating even on 1h or 1h30 lectures. These were 2h and I would be effortlessly engaged for the whole duration. It kind of pains me that maybe the best class I've taken in university wasn't even one in my degree :^)

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#77

I love how there are these two parallel threads going in HNville: (1) COLLEGE SUCKS BURN IT DOWN and (2) "I'd like to learn complex things like machine learning and math that take more than reading 5 blog posts to master, how do I do it"? Sometimes this place just cracks me up. I honestly think the answer is pretty simple: go to college. It doesn't have to be expensive. Take a community college course in calculus or…

There's no reason to go to college for these so called lower div courses. They are often taught by TAs. The latter are not synonymous with great teaching. It's the 21st century, we have a wealth of textbooks now that are often better than all TAs and profs put together. These days one can easily put aside 1600 page doorstops (such Calc books often teach applied algorithms that were last relevant in 19th century) and opt for much more nimble, well-designed and actually relevant/rigorous books like those of Jay Cummings or Lara Alcock or Richard Hammack or the Dos Reis or Gary Chartrand or ...

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#78
Well... perseverance is the name of the game.

The secret to reading papers in unfamiliar field is to not get discouraged just because you don't get it immediately. Instead, I will research each concept I encounter that I don't understand well.

Let's assume I want to understand something in a field I am not familiar with. It is important to understand that this typically means I have to get at least somewhat familiar with the field. I don't expect to read a paper and get it just from that single read!

I will open the paper and first just read what I can from start to end without stopping to research anything. This gives me some idea what the paper is about and what are some of the concepts that are important and how they are used later. I call this scanning.

I will go back to the start and slowly go researching EVERYTHING, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that I don't understand. This is most of the work. I will keep the paper open and have something to mark where I currently am. I will research meaning of every symbol and every piece of notation, every concept being introduced, until I am confident I understand it.

This may take multiple days to advance a single line as I will frequently spend time on tagents or just getting up to speed with the basics.

Once I go through entire paper I will get back to start and now read it again. Now that I know the language of the paper I can focus on the matter at hand. I may do this few times until I am satisfied I got everything I could.

Again, I want to stress it, don't expect to understand a paper in unfamiliar field on the first reading. It is completely unrealistic. Use materials, ask people to explain, research on the Internet, rinse and repeat.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to read mathematical notation?

#79
my advice is learn haskell of youre a programmer.

haskell helped me think of math as a game of pacman, i understood arity, the concept of "well defined" as ADTs and FOLDs, tail recursion helps understand series.

learn you a haskell is a better math book than it is a haskell book.

i had extreme sifficulty with math, mainly because my temporal lobe is more or less mush due to MS.

then all you have to do is substitute symbols.

oh and the #haskell channel on freenode is huge and VERY helpful.

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