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Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Reamde , by Neal Stephenson. Yeah, the big daddy of cyberpunk ("Snowcrash") also wrote a contemporary technothriller set in organized cybercrime organizations.

Heard very mixed reviews of Reamde. Could you please tell me what elements you liked of the book? It's been on my reading list for a while but the mixed reviews always lead to it being left for another day

Disclaimer, I'm a big Neal Stephenson fan.

Reamde, is a fast paced techno thriller. It's arguably one of his lesser novels but still a ton of fun IMHO.

The premise of the book is that of an online game that is essentially similar to world of warcraft with the difference that the entire point of the game is the in game economy.

This part of the book is pretty well developed and ties in nicely with his other novels that also deal with money, gold, crypto currencies, etc. The crisis in the game is when a group of enterprising chinese hackers deploy a virus that encrypts people's laptops via a bit of ransomware distributed via email. To unlock their computers people are to pay some of the in game gold in a particular area. All goes sideways through a set of rather unlikely coincidences.

There are a lot of other elements being dragged into this including a fair bit of gun wielding by terrorists, russian mafia, and the protagonist and his somewhat libertarian family. This is is not the most innovative plot and it is ultimately a relatively one dimensional plot that is in places a bit cringeworthy.

I still enjoyed this book and have read it multiple times. It's got plenty of side plots, detailed musings, and so on that are typical for Neal Stephenson. If you enjoy that kind of thing, this book is fine but it's no Anathem or Snow Crash.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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I want to add "The Watchmen" by Jonathan Littman. It's the story of Kevin Poulsen. It's very well written and I personally liked it better than all the Mitnick stories, but they are certainly comparable. It's been a while since I've last read it, but I think about it with a bit of nostalgia, as there are all those phone phreaking and dumpster diving stories in it, when nobody cared about security.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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I would recommend "Underground", a text-only e-book about (perhaps even by?) Kevin Mitnick, how the entire hacker scene got started, and through the cat-and-mouse game that led to Mitnick's eventual arrest. Unfortunately, I cannot find a link to this work; although I did find uncountable similar books and movies on the topic. Perhaps this will suffice as a teaser? "Catching Kevin" at Wired: https://www.wired.com/1996…

This? http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=5A8FE70517FD734D720...

Title: Underground: Tales of Hacking, Madness, and Obsession on the Electronic Frontier

Author(s): Suelette Dreyfuss

Publisher: Mandarin Australia

Year: 1997

ISBN: 9781863305952, 1863305955

>> This book provides a great overview of a number of computer intrusion incidents and links them throught not only the technical nature of the activity but the persons behind them. UNDERGROUND provides an excellent overview of intrustion activities focusing on the UK, Australia, and the United States. It covers the late 80's to the early nineties with stories on incidents such as the WANK Worm outbreak and 8lgm's activities. The stand out attribute of this book is that it examines what happened to the intruders after their activity rather than focusing on the activity itself. It also examines the interrelationships between intruders worldwide giving some insight into how the culture allows for several key persons to be involved in or have siginficant knowledge of many different activities. A must have to include in your library along with other staples such as Cuckoo's Egg, Masters of Deception, Fugitive Game, and Hacker Crackdown. However, like the other books noted, there are apt to be a few points that persons will take exception too with regard to accuracy.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Ghost in the Wire by Kevin Mitnick. I can't believe no one recommended this. The guy literally evaded the FBI using technology.

Yes! When I was a kid I had heard his story a bit but this book was amazing and really highlighted just how far someone could go with regards to "owning" systems.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Reamde , by Neal Stephenson. Yeah, the big daddy of cyberpunk ("Snowcrash") also wrote a contemporary technothriller set in organized cybercrime organizations.

I was going to recommend Reamde as well. I think it is best to look at it as an interesting spin on the typical cybercrime story, and not as a "Neil Stephenson" book specifically. In other words, read it for the story, not for the author.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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This isn't quite in the category, but John Carreyrou's nonfiction book "Bad Blood", which covered the rise and fall of Theranos, satisfied me in a similar way. There's plenty of crime, although it's really about pretending to be high-tech rather than actually being high tech. For people in tech who love a good fraud story, I highly recommend it.

Just finished this one and really enjoyed it. I will say, it would have been infuriating to read if I didn't already know the story ended with her takedown.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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I would recommend "Underground", a text-only e-book about (perhaps even by?) Kevin Mitnick, how the entire hacker scene got started, and through the cat-and-mouse game that led to Mitnick's eventual arrest. Unfortunately, I cannot find a link to this work; although I did find uncountable similar books and movies on the topic. Perhaps this will suffice as a teaser? "Catching Kevin" at Wired: https://www.wired.com/1996…

Is this the "underground" book by Assange before he became WikiLeaks' face?

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Reamde , by Neal Stephenson. Yeah, the big daddy of cyberpunk ("Snowcrash") also wrote a contemporary technothriller set in organized cybercrime organizations.

I'm a big Stephenson fan, and I thought Reamde was terrible. His usual quirky pacing just turns into a dragging nightmare that never pays off, it's uncharacteristically full of questionable technical premises, and if it weren't for a few islands of genuinely entertaining scenes I would not have made it through. I honestly believe it's the result of some suit pressuring him to write about topics people see on Dateline

It definitely dragged on, but overall I thought it was enjoyable. He definitely kept building up to climaxes throughout the whole book - on an airplane, I kept sadly checking the percentage read because I was sure I was almost done with it, only to discover that I was only 30%, 50%, 70% along...

If you're a Stephenson fan, I would absolutely give this a read.

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heard very mixed reviews of Reamde. Could you please tell me what elements you liked of the book? It's been on my reading list for a while but the mixed reviews always lead to it being left for another day

Disclaimer, I'm a big Neal Stephenson fan. Reamde, is a fast paced techno thriller. It's arguably one of his lesser novels but still a ton of fun IMHO. The premise of the book is that of an online game that is essentially similar to world of warcraft with the difference that the entire point of the game is the in game economy. This part of the book is pretty well developed and ties in nicely with his other novels tha…

> somewhat libertarian family

Boy, that's putting it mildly. :)

Re: Ask HN: Recommendations of good cybercrime novels?

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The Cuckoo's Egg , by Cliff Stoll.

Indeed a great book. And (tiny spoiler-alert): a small easter-egg (though not intended as such) for people on HN: the founders of HN/YC show up in the book, admittedly in a very minor capacity. Btw, I recently discovered that Cliff Stoll is one of the awesome guys who appears on the Numberphile YouTube channel, so if you watch that, know that it's him :)

Including this one posted this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7GYYerlQWs

Any time the subject of Cliff Stoll comes up, I always comment that someday I want to be as excited about _something_ as Cliff Stoll is about _everything_.

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