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Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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Yes! (at least for me). I'm building a gamified iOS keyboard (self employed), and I have to build an auto–corrective, predictive engine for it. That was a detour for my main target, but is part of the MVP of a keyboard (as we are in 2018, and it's expected by every user).

The constraints of time and memory, really pushed me in revisiting a lot of data structures (mostly tries and DAWG), there is not much information out there, and not much libraries already build, so I have to get creative, read a few papers, tech blogs, etc and do it myself.

So, from what I'm reading here, the moral of the story is, probably you will find joy pursuing your own interests, don't expect to find tech–challenges in your average job.

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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> alleviating a social problem for some group of people Not sure what you mean by "social" problems specifically, but when you alleviate a problem for a group of people, they pay you, and that's what a business is. I realized recently what a useful abstraction money is, because when money came about we didn't have the ability to create a massive blockchain keeping track of who did favors for who, and when. So it's a…

What about people with lots of problems and not a lot of money? For some reason, I still think they have value and that their problems are worth solving, regardless of what the market thinks of them.

Solving them at scale can still lead to money. Sometimes they are willing to give you a little money, sometimes others are (governments, or even businesses if it can lead to profit for them. I.e., low income training + job search with recruiter fee could be profitable). Or if you're addressing the problem of they have little money, by giving them skills or opportunities, you can charge after you help them (i.e., many coding bootcamps that delay costs until you land something)

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I do a lot of robotics software engineering from top to bottom: UIs for mapping spaces, web APIs, web servers, databases, ROS nodes to handle mapping, web-based controls, industrial integration APIs, error handling, etc. I've excitedly taken on every little task thrown at me over the years, I think, because I went to school for GIS, earned geography degrees, and never in my life expected to do anything remotely as in…

To me the problem is when you build a few crud apps and then build them again and then again. each with slightly different technology, but the bulk of the work is telling the computer what to call a field and which fields are required only 50 different ways. It starts to wear you down. I used to like building stuff, but I've kinda hit a wall.

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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I'm doing a PhD on cryptography/blockchains and working on the Cardano cryptocurrency (https://cardanoroadmap.com/). It's very technically interesting and challenging (though it pays a fraction of what I used to earn as a Software Engineer in a big company in Zurich.)

I spend most of my time thinking about mathematical problems that I feel are impactful and important. The solutions make use of theoretical computer science (computational reductions and such). Validating the results requires running small Monte Carlo style experiments typically written in C++, Python, or Javascript. This isn't rocket science code, but it's still challenging to think what kind of assumptions and constraints to put in the model / code and which ones to leave out (although the coding part itself is pretty standard.) Other than that I mostly write TeX :)

But our solutions are implemented by the IOHK software engineers that are working on the production software implementation of Cardano. It's quite interesting to guide that work through our papers, as it handles a multibillion dollar market cap and the responsibility for making sure everything is secure is big. As for social impact, this people may disagree with, but I feel we're building next generation economies and this will impact the whole of society in making it more egalitarian, giving access to money to everyone, and making salaries more equal across the globe.

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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You might as well have asked who among us won the lottery. I've been struggling with this for years now; after 4 boring jobs I finally gave up even the expectation that what I'll be asked to do will be even remotely interesting (or socially useful). The chance of landing an interesting job is absolutely minuscule - the market rewards whatever it rewards at the moment, and that's where jobs flock. These days, one of t…

> abstract everything away with money

This is the lens through which von Neumann and Morgenstern saw all of human behavior, and their "rational" economics has been hugely influential in public policy. I use scare quotes because I disagree that the approach is rational -- many things in life can't be measured in dollars, not even dollars! (E.g. you can't compare a dollar today with a dollar ten years from now. Regardless of your discounting strategy, that money is going to mean something different to you in ten years.)

Your position is a great example of this phenomenon -- there's not really any amount of money that can compensate for a lack of inspiration at work. You might be willing to give up on interesting work for enough dollars, and the rational economist would say that this is the measure of how valuable interesting work is. But there's a long history of studies, notably by Kahneman and Tversky among many others, showing that framing human motivation this way leads to all sorts of paradoxes.

So yes, we have a strong tendency to measure everything with money -- this outlook is deeply embedded in our economic and political systems -- and it makes people miserable because it's a terrible way to account for human happiness.

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about people with lots of problems and not a lot of money? For some reason, I still think they have value and that their problems are worth solving, regardless of what the market thinks of them.

Solving them at scale can still lead to money. Sometimes they are willing to give you a little money, sometimes others are (governments, or even businesses if it can lead to profit for them. I.e., low income training + job search with recruiter fee could be profitable). Or if you're addressing the problem of they have little money, by giving them skills or opportunities, you can charge after you help them (i.e., many…

This still asserts that solving the problems of a poor person is worth less than solving the problems of a rich person.

Also, getting paid by the government to do something is decisively a non-market solution, given that the government gets its money through taxes.

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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You might as well have asked who among us won the lottery. I've been struggling with this for years now; after 4 boring jobs I finally gave up even the expectation that what I'll be asked to do will be even remotely interesting (or socially useful). The chance of landing an interesting job is absolutely minuscule - the market rewards whatever it rewards at the moment, and that's where jobs flock. These days, one of t…

While I don't agree with Marx, your sense of ennui seems to reasonably represent what I understand to have been his concepts of reification and alienation. One might ask: what does the alternative look like? From what I can tell Marx is a bit wishy-washy on that point. Hayek more helpfully explained that the market provides a mechanism for determining value, not virtue . That it works, but doesn't uplift. And that tr…

"Ennui". I like the word. Thanks!

> One might ask: what does the alternative look like? From what I can tell Marx is a bit wishy-washy on that point.

I have no clue either. But it feels to me as if we're turning humanity into a single superorganism, with each one of us being just a cell, except all those cells have brains capable of wishing they'd play on the same level as the superorganism.

Related: I've never had a libertarian bent. I'm known to argue for coordination over individual freedoms. I frequently wondered, just what is it that makes many people say that we're in chains, and (here in the West) we have so little freedoms left. I think I finally realized where this could be coming from.

I've been spending some time recently going, in my head, through a list of activities I'd find exciting. I quickly discovered that most of them are either impossible or illegal, especially when living in a city. Someone (I think pg) wrote that as we entered the industrialized age, we had to invent the whole fake, hollow thing called "exercise" to replace what we've lost in the change of lifestyles. I'm starting to see it as more general pattern - we're losing many more things we could do, and replacing them with structured activities available on the market. They're similar, but also feel fake to me.

> Hayek more helpfully explained that the market provides a mechanism for determining value, not virtue. That it works, but doesn't uplift.

That sounds about right (I suppose I should start reading the foundational texts of economic thought at some point). I do not deny that the scheme I described, in which your only role in society is to pick something profitable to do, doesn't work. It generally does (with all coordination problem caveats of the market in mind). But the meaningful work, the virtuous work, the uplifting work, seems to be distributed scarcely and randomly throughout the market space. Much like in the past, you got to be a king or a peasant depending on the lottery of birth, nowadays you can be involved in civilization-changing work, or forever toil on the margin, depending on random chance. Is there even a place for fining meaning in contributing to society? Is there any agency left as to how to contribute? Are we supposed to seek either of it?

I have no answers here. Only a topic I'm trying to think my way through, hoping to find some meaning on the other end.

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been to your talk in Kraków on the European Lisp Symposium! I love what you're doing! Do you have any updates on that water-filtering molecule you showed us then?

Yes - but we aren't ready to publish yet.

Great to hear; I'm now impatiently waiting for new papers or related talks! Don't forget to post it here when you publish!

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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You might as well have asked who among us won the lottery. I've been struggling with this for years now; after 4 boring jobs I finally gave up even the expectation that what I'll be asked to do will be even remotely interesting (or socially useful). The chance of landing an interesting job is absolutely minuscule - the market rewards whatever it rewards at the moment, and that's where jobs flock. These days, one of t…

>... the revealed goal of our market-driven world is to abstract everything away with money

That's one mental model but it doesn't fit exactly with reality and there are others. See the Love & Money graph here for example. Not quite sure how that fits in with the job hunting. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/01/does-mo...

Re: Ask HN: Are you working on interesting technical problems?

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I was in the happy position of finding a job (post being a failed academic) doing stuff at the intersection of architecture and algorithms (high-speed regex implementation) and getting to to this for 11 years straight (2 years as a researcher, 5 years as a startup CTO, 4 years as a Principal Engineer at Intel). Got a decent if not ginormous exit too, which was nice. Also got to IMO change the industry - Hyperscan (gi…

> I am thinking about blogging about this I'd probably read it.

I would read as well, please write about it!
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