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Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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The competition has been assimilated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altsys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Beach_Software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia

Seeing those names reminded me of another, back in the day when I ran Windows all my editing was carried out in Paint Shop Pro - which still seems to exist, despite having been first released 27 years ago.

Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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You should definitely check Affinity! They have amazing products, such as Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo; I remember paying about 30 GBP for each license. It's way faster to work on, compared to Photoshop or Gimp; Load time etc. Also, for video editing, you have this other company called HitFilm, you can use it to Edit or VFX (Yup! Motion graphics) super cheap or you use the Free version. Also, there's Blender…

I switched from Adobe to Affinity and gave it a few months before I switched back. I wasn't a fan of the UI, and some of the tools I use often were missing. I do hope they get there though!

Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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Adobe has been in the game for a long time, and they know how to play. For example, early on in postscript days, they had proprietary fonts... which they made free at about the right time to have reaped profits without fueling a competitor. A short-sighted company might have hung on; a non-profit might have given it away from the start. - they allow photoshop to be pirated - removing fuel for competitors - it's diffi…

”they had proprietary fonts... which they made free at about the right time to have reaped profits without fueling a competitor.”

Are adobe fonts free? They opened up the Type 1 font specification when Apple and Microsoft threatened to make them irrelevant because TrueType fonts were good enough (at least for consumers) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueType#History)

”pdf is free-to-read, pay-to-write.”

I think you can legally create a PDF writer that supports most, if not all, PDF content without paying any license costs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format#Intel...:

”Anyone may create applications that can read and write PDF files without having to pay royalties to Adobe Systems; Adobe holds patents to PDF, but licenses them for royalty-free use in developing software complying with its PDF specification.”

Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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Photoshop is feature-complete, and the features are implemented well. For example, compare the speed of applying a 200px-radius Gaussian blur in Photoshop vs. Gimp. To make an analogy with more hands-on trades: buying Photoshop is like getting the entire Snap-On tool catalog for $500. Buying Pixelmator is like getting 1/4 of the Craftsman tool catalog for $50. If you can spare the extra $450, you get a lot for your m…

Slightly OT, however; Pros buy snap on because of convenience. Most know there are cheaper, better made tools available for the last 25 years. The tool trucks, and big lines of credit, and bling factor are their only remaining upsells. The 'made in usa' stamps are even disappearing from their tools as more come from tiawan and china. It is hard, if not impossible, to justify the markup without some huge ego stroking,…

True. Their lines of credit even feel somewhat predatory to me, especially wrt tool storage. I am not a mechanic though.

Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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> I was also looking for a simple software to stitch together my GoPro videos but was left out with either free iMovie/Quick, which are too basic or a super-expensive Premiere. It sounds like your real question is, why isn't anyone making free or inexpensive tools with features like Premiere, so I don't have to pay for it? That's the problem -- everybody wants nice software but nobody's willing to pay what it would a…

Because you can do that with a bit of reading and gstreamer. And because designing and building a solution for every graphic/video designer out there is expensive. Adobe and Autodesk got the right idea, dont complain too much if people are pirating your shit, wait until they get used to your stuff, then give them a cheap way to be legal. I use Autodesk Inventor every so often, but 30 quid/month is not something that I feel in my pocket and they get a revenue stream out of that. Obviously, they kind of built the entire thing on charging lots in the past, but now, now I can afford that as a hobist.

Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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Adobe has been in the game for a long time, and they know how to play. For example, early on in postscript days, they had proprietary fonts... which they made free at about the right time to have reaped profits without fueling a competitor. A short-sighted company might have hung on; a non-profit might have given it away from the start. - they allow photoshop to be pirated - removing fuel for competitors - it's diffi…

Possibly controversial opinion, but I think UI in most open-source software needs a lot of work. GIMP is one such example of it. Good programmers aren't necessarily good UI designers. For vector graphics, I use Inkscape for SVG editing and retouching, though. It is at least bearable to use for me.

This might be more due to my experience as a programmer, but I see the most success in creating good UIs in open-source code editors. Perhaps because as programmers, they are already better at judging what kind of things work and don't work for UI and UX in this kind of software, compared to digital paint tools, 3D modeling, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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Adobe has been in the game for a long time, and they know how to play. For example, early on in postscript days, they had proprietary fonts... which they made free at about the right time to have reaped profits without fueling a competitor. A short-sighted company might have hung on; a non-profit might have given it away from the start. - they allow photoshop to be pirated - removing fuel for competitors - it's diffi…

”they had proprietary fonts... which they made free at about the right time to have reaped profits without fueling a competitor.” Are adobe fonts free? They opened up the Type 1 font specification when Apple and Microsoft threatened to make them irrelevant because TrueType fonts were good enough (at least for consumers) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueType#History ) ”pdf is free-to-read, pay-to-write.” I think yo…

> you can legally create a PDF writer

I just meant Acrobat Reader was free, Acrobat writer was not. (People tried this with the web - browser free, server not - but it didn't work out.) Your point about 3rd party readers/writers is also consistent with sensible and long-term profitable management of a digital standard: your competitors promote your standard instead of competing with it.

Re: Ask HN: Why nobody competes with Adobe?

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Filterstorm - thats the "Photoshop" for iPad / iPhone http://filterstorm.com

ExifViewer by Fluntro http://exifviewerapp.com/blog/

SKRWT http://www.skrwt.com

Slidebox - http://slidebox.co

Union - http://unionapp.co

And many more. Digital minimalism is the new trend. We don't need 3 million special effects / features for a happy life. Less is more - more room for your own thoughts, fantasy. With digital minimalism i invite you that you are a part of my creativity.

Not Photoshop a hug for your mom is life.

See all the new YT videos. Zero effects, zero style, 2D, a human face in the middle and realtalk / rants about truth, emotions and what you really feel.The ppl understand my life is a selflie. I am not myself, i am an actor and dont tell my friends what i really love / feel / need.

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