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Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

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Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#71
If you take the offer, do yourself a favor and bake some extras into your employee contract or add them into the deal. Not sure of the terms, but if you need to stick around, don't underestimate how long a year is when handcuffed. Ask for a delayed start, X% bonus and a hefty salary. Even though you didn't exit at some insane rate, you can't ignore you have a skillet or at the very least, accomplished something most have not; that's worth more than your average salary. Once you're locked in, it's a lot harder to adjust and it can leave you frustrated.

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#72
post #53

"Is it time to call it quits?" -- Yes, if you're tired now, it's only going to get worse before it may eventually get better. If you have an opportunity to make some money and move in another direction with your life, TAKE IT!

I don't know how this guy is tired after 2 months of being funded, but if he feels that way, i agree. take the deal.

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#73
Yes!

I was in a similar situation a couple of years ago. We were much more confident about our product and we had investors chasing us but we still took the offer. It's been the best career decision of my life.

In the end it came down to this: the acquirer was going build the thing we were building anyway, and it had a much larger chance of success if we just went and built it for them.

It also gave me two really valuable things for my career:

1) A successful exit to brag about

2) Learning so much more about building startups than I would have in my own company (the acquirer went from 25 to 250 employees while I was there)

Financially, a way to think about it is that a more established startup is more likely to succeed than your startup, so if you guess some likelihoods of each succeeding and multiply it by the value of your stake in each company, you can see what your outcome of each decision might be. For us, this calculation made it obvious we should join.

A tip, which bit me in the ass: try and negotiate getting some real stock as payment. We took stock options to simplify the deal, which if you've read enough of HN, you know why they're a PITA. Give all the cash to the investors (if you're getting a good salary that doesn't matter anyway) then for your payment try and get them to exchange share-for-share stock in your company with stock in their company. In theory this isn't a taxable event (in UK law at least, but i am not an accountant) so you don't have to deal with all of the stock option bullshit. (Well, for some of your shares anyway. You'll probably still get normal employee options too.)

Good luck! Email's in my profile if you want any more advice.

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#74

Don't give up. You CAN compete. You can do this, BELIEVE! I would ask them how they determined their offer price though....good information to have.

This is too emotional. Emotions are the first to go when you get punched in the face.

Too emotional? Emotions are thee only thing humans base decisions on, it's either pain or pleasure, which ever is stronger in the mind. And this guy didn't get punched in the face, I think you want him to fail.

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#76
post #9

Negotiate a small up front bonus, 2-4 weeks of paid vacation in the immediate future, at a minimum, and then take the deal. Use the r&r to recharge, and the acquisition to bolster your track record. Start something new once you vest.

Thanks for the comment. That seems like a good deal to me. Do you have any tips for the negotiation?

DON'T TAKE THE DEAL. The only reason some company would want to acquire you is because it must have accretion value. Why don't you see if you can turn them into your biggest customer?? Stick with it, don't quit, you are three feet from gold.

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#77
post #30

I worked 80 hours per week for 7 years straight. At one point I was juggling full time university with a full time job and an open source project on the side. My grades suffered, the startup I worked for failed, my open source project failed. I did manage to graduate though. Then I started another open source project, worked on it for 2 years, it also failed because of tough competition. So then I started yet another…

I admire your working discipline and stuff but in which way do you think does your answer help the thread owner?

He is trying to tell him not to give up. That you can fail your way to success. Can't you see that?

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#78
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I admire your working discipline and stuff but in which way do you think does your answer help the thread owner?

I just wanted to emphasize to not focus on rewards so much. Failure makes you more resilient. This resilience can be a reward in itself.

Just because someone doesn't understand your post and downvotes it is no reason to have to explain. Some people have less than a cup half empty, they have it turned upside down. +1 to you.

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#79
I did this exact scenario.

I'm way better off financially. However, I was extremely depressed for a year. I had my whole identity wrapped up in my business, and all of the sudden I had a day job again. Like everything I was just disappeared overnight.

I'm mostly through the depression, but my motivation and personal life took way more of a hit post-sale than they did during 90 hour work weeks and stressing over payroll and constant marketing of myself.

I did not have investors though, so I did wind up with a nice bank account after paying back some loans we took out. All in all, though, I still kind of regret it.

Re: Ask HN: Tired founders facing acquihire – please advise

#80

I did this exact scenario. I'm way better off financially. However, I was extremely depressed for a year. I had my whole identity wrapped up in my business, and all of the sudden I had a day job again. Like everything I was just disappeared overnight. I'm mostly through the depression, but my motivation and personal life took way more of a hit post-sale than they did during 90 hour work weeks and stressing over payro…

Well, considering Alphabet is one of the must successful companies on the planet now I understand that, Larry Page. Don't be too hard on yourself though :)
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