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Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

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I am on a similar path, if with a much lower opportunity cost. I am 37 years old, one failed startup as a founder, a few marketing roles on other modest startups and some years as social project manager on the resume. I decided to quit my last job and study full time to become a developer. Not through a bootcamp, but through cheap or free resources online. I chose freecodecamp.com to go for now. I did an Ask HN too a…

> I did not receive much support either from the HN crowd

I think there's a reason for that, and you touched on some of them. There's undoubtedly an ageism to the tech industry, and being an older junior developer is likely to be a huge uphill climb.

There's also skepticism around the coding bootcamp industry for the same reason that there's skepticism around University of Phoenix: The certification isn't really useful or impressive, and the kind of person who benefits highly from a program like that would likely learn just as much through self-study at a severely reduced cost (or free).

Compounding that, there's a glut right now of alternative software development education. It's hard to imagine a future where being a software developer isn't significantly less prestigious in the future, except for software development in highly specialized areas (e.g. machine learning).

Not that prestige is so important, but the reasons for the loss of that prestige will likely cause salaries to plummet significantly. It's entirely possible (and some would say likely) that most web development will become analogous to traditional trade professions like plumbers in the future, with:

* Significantly less initial investment: There's no standard or certification for being a web developer)

* Significantly larger pool of competition: Your web developer doesn't need to physically be located near you, unlike your plumber.

If you're fine with all of these things, then that's great! Be a software developer. Just be aware that it's likely to experience significant changes in the coming decades, not many of which are likely to be beneficial. You might very well do better for yourself and your family to actually just become a plumber instead.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

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Crazy, yes. But is it the right kind of crazy to drive your success? There are no rewards without risk. Bottom line, if you can sustain yourself through your proposed experiment, then why not? But I would preface that with some soul searching. Are the things driving you away from being a PM generic in nature and likely to follow you? If so, it probably means the remedy to your woes is working on yourself.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

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> e.g. block chain, deep learning, etc. Most bootcamps that I'm aware of are for training web developers, with a few going into mobile app development. That will give you some basic coding skill but is probably not going to get you very far in the direction you want to go. You'd most likely be better off seeking an online CS degree.

>> e.g. block chain, deep learning, etc. > Most bootcamps that I'm aware of are for training web developers, with a few going into mobile app development. Yeah, I'd actually be pretty interested in a bootcamp that teaches deep learning. AFAIK that doesn't exist, but it should (?)

I don't think there's enough time to teach. My machine learning class at Berkeley only felt like we were getting our feet wet.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

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>> e.g. block chain, deep learning, etc. > Most bootcamps that I'm aware of are for training web developers, with a few going into mobile app development. Yeah, I'd actually be pretty interested in a bootcamp that teaches deep learning. AFAIK that doesn't exist, but it should (?)

I don't think there's enough time to teach. My machine learning class at Berkeley only felt like we were getting our feet wet.

Looking some more, the closest I can find are some "Data Science" bootcamps (like Insight and DataIncubator). But they require PhDs.

So yeah, maybe the only way it could work is if you already know it. They just give you a refresher and find you a job.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#78
I'm surprised you dismiss serious skills like "project management" and "coordinating" like if anyone could do it at all, not to speak of doing it at a top 3 tech company (we're talking Google, Facebook, Apple level).

They either come very natural to you, hence why you think they're easy, or you're not good at your job and oblivious about it or you have a very junior position and someone else makes the difficult decissions.

Either way, I would love to be a PM with an interesting product, not to mention being in a top 3 tech company. The money must be really good and the feeling of fully conceiving and creating a product has no equal. Coding it is fine and feels good too, but steering the ship is where it's at.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#79
Why quit your current gig? Can you find a bootcamp that you can complete over a "vacation"? If not, consider a program that you can acomplish evenings and weekends.

Unless you feel your PM role is a complete dead end, build on your experience instead of trading it away.

Edit, adding: A PM who understands software development, or a developer who understands project management, is a good set of skills to have.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#80
Sounds like we are of similar backgrounds. I was a well paid PM, I've worked at a top tech company, and I had strategy consulting experience before that.

I quit my job went into a bootcamp and have been a software developer for a year plus. I've been pretty happy with the decision. My reasons were completely different though and were more about understanding what I was good at and passionate about.

I think I can help. Ask me anything.

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