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Re: Ask HN: How do develop a side project when you have a 40hr/week job?

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This concept of moving to a different country and living on less hours of work sounds too good to be true. I've heard it proposed before, but I've never known of anyone who has pulled it off. Are there any good examples to read about? I've met really smart English-speaking developers from other countries (namely Brazil), and I didn't get the impression that they can laze around and work 22 hour weeks to put food on t…

My suggestion is a form of arbitrage and it's really quite doable. If you live in a cheap country and earn money in a more affluent one, you don't need to work as many hours. If you choose to earn money in the local market, you'll end up replacing one 40 hour work week for another. Your Brazilian buddies likely work locally which is why they have similar time constraints as someone living and working in NYC would do.…

Were you born in UK? How's social life in Prague for a foreigner like you? Is language a huge barrier?

Re: Ask HN: How do develop a side project when you have a 40hr/week job?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My suggestion is a form of arbitrage and it's really quite doable. If you live in a cheap country and earn money in a more affluent one, you don't need to work as many hours. If you choose to earn money in the local market, you'll end up replacing one 40 hour work week for another. Your Brazilian buddies likely work locally which is why they have similar time constraints as someone living and working in NYC would do.…

Were you born in UK? How's social life in Prague for a foreigner like you? Is language a huge barrier?

Indeed I was born in the UK, so in my case living in the Czech Republic indefinitely doesn't come with any visa hurdles and such.

The fact I don't speak Czech is a very rarely a barrier. Sometimes if I'm in the grocery store and I'm not entirely sure what I'm buying I have to use Google Translate. I struggled once in the post office when trying to mail something internationally. I probably should learn conversational Czech, but I'm more interested in learning Spanish.

The nightlife in Prague is awesome and my social life is ideal.

Re: Ask HN: How do develop a side project when you have a 40hr/week job?

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I'm going to assume you don't have a whole bunch of children, an underwater mortgage, or massive amounts of debt to service — or some other very compelling reason the following advice isn't going to be practical for you. But if you can swing it, it's vastly more fun and productive than some of the other suggestions: Start freelancing, quit your job, and move to a cheaper country where you can survive on something lik…

This concept of moving to a different country and living on less hours of work sounds too good to be true. I've heard it proposed before, but I've never known of anyone who has pulled it off. Are there any good examples to read about? I've met really smart English-speaking developers from other countries (namely Brazil), and I didn't get the impression that they can laze around and work 22 hour weeks to put food on t…

I did this more or less.

I moved to Cambodia 3 years ago, spending ~500$ per month on average so far. It's not for everyone of course, but I truly don't care about things that most others would consider necessities. All I need is an internet connection and healthy food, both of which are readily available here.

It's easy to find a clean apartment for 100$ per month in Phnom Penh, that is if you wouldn't be too horrified to actually live among the local people, like 95% of the expats here are.

Re: Ask HN: How do develop a side project when you have a 40hr/week job?

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(never only) 40hr/week job (project manager), a wife and a year old child

I am just about to launch my second big(ish) side project.

When outside my "real job", the priorities are with my child and my wife. So the time for anything else is scarce and the most is done after both of them go to bed.

- limit your TV

- limit your distractions on the computer (I use RescueTime)

- learn to differentiate between motion and action (http://jamesclear.com/taking-action)

- automate everything you can

- motivation, motivation, motivation (when sitting on the toilet you aren't thinking about your side project, you don't want it bad enough)

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(never only) 40hr/week job (project manager), a wife and a year old child I am just about to launch my second big(ish) side project. When outside my "real job", the priorities are with my child and my wife. So the time for anything else is scarce and the most is done after both of them go to bed. - limit your TV - limit your distractions on the computer (I use RescueTime) - learn to differentiate between motion and a…

- outsource

Re: Ask HN: How do develop a side project when you have a 40hr/week job?

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Same as for working out or cooking, you can always find time. I cut alcohol years ago and tend to go to bed at reasonable hours: the feeling of waking up at 5:30, getting a good workout and two to three hours of work before you even start to get ready for the office is pretty empowering. It feels like you already had a day worth of productivity in. So, to recap: 1. Don't drink (or drink in moderation). It leads to la…

"Getting up early" advice definitely doesn't work for all people. I, for example, am more productive at evenings/nights and my brain doesn't work at until 9-10am despite of how much did I sleep a night before. The better advice would be "adjust the routine to your natural rhythm".

I thought the same until I started a job that required an early start. Even after years of extreme night-owl scheduling I didn't find it difficult after a the first month or so.

Re: Ask HN: How do develop a side project when you have a 40hr/week job?

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(never only) 40hr/week job (project manager), a wife and a year old child I am just about to launch my second big(ish) side project. When outside my "real job", the priorities are with my child and my wife. So the time for anything else is scarce and the most is done after both of them go to bed. - limit your TV - limit your distractions on the computer (I use RescueTime) - learn to differentiate between motion and a…

- outsource

I build so I can learn new skills. So until now outsourcing wasn't a part of the master plan. But you are correct, delegating the right way is also an option to boost development.

Re: Ask HN: How do develop a side project when you have a 40hr/week job?

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I work 40hr/week yet I have plenty of time to work on my stuff. Of course it would be much better if I could fully commit to my project but hey i still need money to sustain myself and need to compromise with reality. Anyway, sometimes when I really get into it I can even work more hours than my day job. In extreme cases, I would leave work at 6pm, get home by 6:30, take a shower and start working at 7pm. Work on my…

Only do this if you want to be totally turned off by programming within a few months/years. Working 40 hours a week at a computer and then coming home for more is bad enough for your body. But beyond that, any single activity reaches a point of diminishing returns when engaged in to the exclusion of all others. It might not happen right away, but at some point there will likely be regret that you didn't spend more ti…

> Working 40 hours a week at a computer and then coming home for more is bad enough for your body.

If this is the case then how to get financial independence? Are you suggesting that it is good to work forever?

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