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Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Adobe Flash / Shockwave. After all these decades, I've yet to see a tool that makes it as easy to make games or multimedia as Flash did. One of many reminders recently (many others in politics) that humanity doesn't just inevitably or linearly move forward in any domain, or even 2 steps forward 1 step back. Some things are just lost to time - maybe rediscovered in a century, maybe never.

I was even fine with Flash being misused for web GUIs, just to pressure the open web to get its act together. At least devs got to pick 2 between [fancy, fast, easy]. If you want something better, make it instead of hobbling the competition.

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The Lisp machine. I love Lisp, and I love the idea of every part of the system being a Lisp program that can be patched and modified at runtime by the user. Obviously in this day and age some security mechanisms would need to be introduced, but the system design is my hacker's dream.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's "the Elm architecture"?

A simple UI programming pattern, with a circular, unidirectional data flow. It is very rigid by design, to be side-effect free, functional, unidirectional: https://guide.elm-lang.org/architecture/ I'm no frontend guy, but I think it did/was inspire(d) react (redux?) maybe. Corrections on this very welcome

Yes it was too rigid. Too much boiler plate. The design space of functional UI is still being explored.

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post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I never used flash personally, but I loved those little games people created with them. There was the whole scene of non developers creating little games of all kinds and it just ceased to exist.

So much college years time spent (wasted?) on Addicting Games.

Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted.

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post #45

Heroku? I know it's still around, though IDK who uses it, but I miss those days when it was thriving. One language, one deployment platform, one database, a couple plugins to choose from, everything simple and straightforward, no decision fatigue. I often wonder, if AI had come 15 years earlier, would it have been a ton better because there weren't a billion different ways to do things? Would we have ever bothered to…

Was going to say, I still use Heroku, and it's been working ok, but I'm getting increasingly creepy vibes from it and fear that it could be abandoned. Starting of course with Salesforce acquisition.

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#696
- Apple AirPort. Took a long time for advanced wifi solutions that "just work" to fill its place, and those are the Nest/Google things that have bs attached like mic+assistant. Unifi is too hard for consumers.

- Gnome2 dropped from Ubuntu in favor of Unity

- Ford Crown Victoria

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#697

- Photon, the graphical interface for QNX. Oriented more towards real time (widgets included gauges) but good enough to support two different web browsers. No delays. This was a real time operating system. - MacOS 8. Not the Linux thing, but Copeland. This was a modernized version of the original MacOS, continuing the tradition of no command line. Not having a command line forces everyone to get their act together ab…

+1 Copland

BeOS. I like to daydream about an alternate reality where it was acquired by Sony, and used as the foundation for PlayStation, Sony smartphones, and eventually a viable alternative to Windows on their Vaio line.

Neal Stephenson, https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs81n/command.txt :

> Imagine a crossroads where four competing auto dealerships are situated… (Apple) sold motorized vehicles--expensive but attractively styled cars with their innards hermetically sealed, so that how they worked was something of a mystery.

> (Microsoft) is much, much bigger… the big dealership came out with a full-fledged car: a colossal station wagon (Windows 95). It had all the aesthetic appeal of a Soviet worker housing block, it leaked oil and blew gaskets, and it was an enormous success.

> On the other side of the road… (Be, Inc.) is selling fully operational Batmobiles (the BeOS). They are more beautiful and stylish even than the Euro-sedans, better designed, more technologically advanced, and at least as reliable as anything else on the market--and yet cheaper than the others.

> … and Linux, which is right next door, and which is not a business at all. It's a bunch of RVs, yurts, tepees, and geodesic domes set up in a field and organized by consensus. The people who live there are making tanks.

It would be years before OS X could handle things that wouldn’t cause BeOS to break a sweat, and BeOS still has a bit of a responsiveness edge that OS X still can't seem to match (probably due to the PDF rendering layer).

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post #363

Pascal/Delphi - especially in the educational context. Crazy fast compiler so doesn't frustrate trial & erroring students, decent type system without the wildness of say rust and all the basic programming building blocks you want students to grasp are present without language specific funkiness.

Delphi isn't dead - ver 13 was recently released - https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi . It's even cross platform, uses Skia as its graphics engine, its all very nice.

Delphi is like jazz - not dead, but it just smells funny.

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post #400

The TUNES [1] operating system and programming language project. The reason for its failure are described perfectly on the archival website: > TUNES started in 1992-95 as an operating system project, but was never clearly defined, and it succumbed to design-by-committee syndrome and gradually failed. Compared to typical OS projects it had very ambitious goals, which you may find interesting. [1] http://tunes.org/

I had seen it before and I did find it interesting, as well as some other ideas from other systems (including Amiga, TRON, capability-based systems, etc), and I had some of my own ideas. (I had also thought of some similar ideas independently, but not all of them.) I do not completely agree with all of the ideas. Also, I think that a new computer hardware design can be made to support the new operating system (although emulation is also possible). (My own operating system idea currently does not have a name, and has some similar ideas from TUNES (and TRON, etc) and many differences.)

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#700

- Photon, the graphical interface for QNX. Oriented more towards real time (widgets included gauges) but good enough to support two different web browsers. No delays. This was a real time operating system. - MacOS 8. Not the Linux thing, but Copeland. This was a modernized version of the original MacOS, continuing the tradition of no command line. Not having a command line forces everyone to get their act together ab…

> Would it kill people to have to close their tags properly? Probably not, but what would be the benefit of having more pages fail to render? If xhtml had been coupled with some cool features which only worked in xhtml mode, it might have become successful, but on its own it does not provide much value.

I used to run an RSS feed consolidator, badly formed XML was the bane of my life for a very long time.

If devs couldn't even get RSS right, a web built on XHTML was a nonstarter.

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