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Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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Maybe they needed or wanted a reason to fire them. If that’s the case, it was all ready to go on HR.

I mean it only happens in movies when an employee gets fired and immediately put his stuff in the box and leaves the building. In real life there are labor regulations that don't allow this, there is the notification period et cetera

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Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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On my last job, a new manager called me for a meeting on Friday 4PM. I spent the whole month on an extremely stressful project. The meeting was about an app that integrates credit card payments, billets and bank account on a terminal that is going to be available to the general public. The deadline? 11PM of the same day. Final version. From 0 to 100% in 6 hours. I said that it was impossible. He said that I was incap…

I am very glad you managed to parlay a bad situation into a better one.

Fuck incompetent management. It is a virus that eventually ravages the entire host (organization).

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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post #123

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working on non-version-controlled code, having been expressly forbidden from using ANY VC by the CEO Did the CEO give a reason? I'm a bit curious based on it being billing and HIPPA. Also, are you rolling your own EDI import/export?

HIPAA

I work with HIPAA and SOC2, this is ridiculous. Your boss is misinformed.

Just show him that you're literally only committing code, and not any real data in the repo.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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On my last job, a new manager called me for a meeting on Friday 4PM. I spent the whole month on an extremely stressful project. The meeting was about an app that integrates credit card payments, billets and bank account on a terminal that is going to be available to the general public. The deadline? 11PM of the same day. Final version. From 0 to 100% in 6 hours. I said that it was impossible. He said that I was incap…

> The meeting was about an app that integrates credit card payments, billets and bank account on a terminal that is going to be available to the general public. > > The deadline? 11PM of the same day. Final version. From 0 to 100% in 6 hours.

That is not only impossible, it is reckless. A good way to lose not only money when things break, but get your access to credit cards and bank transactions eliminated when they learn their procedures were not covered.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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Tried that approach and got told I was condescending.

Thats cause it is. its snarky. solving someones problem and telling them they could be doing something better are two different things. its often offensive to mix the two. it also shows an incredible lack of empathy—sometimes someone is asking you something because theyre swamped and you seemed helpful, if you respond like that theyll go from thinking youre helpful to thinking you’re a know it all jerk. heres a bette…

> “here it is! its a pretty good resource, the docs are fairly extensive, theyve saved me a couple times in the past”

that's in the same vein as what I meant. The smiley face was not literal and of course I would encourage anyone to find their own words.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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PIP isn't a pink slip at all companies. I once got a PIP when working at a mid-sized corporation. Fortunately my performance wasn't an issue, they just didn't like that I was frequently late to the daily morning standup (which upper management refused to allow us to reschedule to later in the day despite my insistence), didn't appear attentive in meetings, and was working from home too much. I started coming in to wo…

> I started coming in to work on time and stopped coding during meetings and they took me off the PIP a couple weeks later. So, you were consistently late for work, didn't pay attention in meetings and were admittedly inattentive and working from home "too much". So you were put on PIP and you took that as a reason to leave the company? What did you expect them to do? You sound like a nightmare employee. I'm sure the…

You have a very weird definition of "nightmare employee". Nothing there says he was toxic; nothing there says he wasn't productive.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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I'm the sole developer working on my current project, which is overhauling a massive DOS era application, as well as overhauling an early 2000s era CRM/business management tool, that almost all of our work happens through. Did I mention that the DOS application is a HIPAA billing application that must meet all HIPAA guidelines as well as write EDI X12 billing files? I'm very junior, been coding for ~5 years, 3 profes…

Seriously, leave now! While you can.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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PIP isn't a pink slip at all companies. I once got a PIP when working at a mid-sized corporation. Fortunately my performance wasn't an issue, they just didn't like that I was frequently late to the daily morning standup (which upper management refused to allow us to reschedule to later in the day despite my insistence), didn't appear attentive in meetings, and was working from home too much. I started coming in to wo…

> I started coming in to work on time and stopped coding during meetings and they took me off the PIP a couple weeks later. So, you were consistently late for work, didn't pay attention in meetings and were admittedly inattentive and working from home "too much". So you were put on PIP and you took that as a reason to leave the company? What did you expect them to do? You sound like a nightmare employee. I'm sure the…

I had a job where I put in longer hours than any other person on the team and was the most capable of handling the widest/diverse workload.

My manager was obsessive about when I showed up at work- despite never missing a meeting. If I got in at 7:30 one morning and 9 the next, it drove him crazy, regardless if I was putting over 9 hours a day every day.

He valued predictability over production because he was an obsessive control freak not because it made anything better from the point of view of the company or my actual output.

I may have been a nightmare for him, but I don't think I was the problem- a manager should manage for productivity/outcomes not for his pet peeves. My current manager (at another company) understands how to maximize output and is comfortable as long as work gets done and everyone is much less stressed.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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post #87

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Yeah, that was my intention when I saw what I had to work with. But it was also specifically prohibited.

How do you prohibit making code better? > for each desired change, make the change easy (warning: this may be hard), then make the easy change And all that jazz... Was your boss a super dev reading the code and calling out if it looked better?

> How do you prohibit making code better?

By instituting a "minimal change" rule. No code changes were allowed for general refactoring. If you're fixing a bug, only the bare minimum changes to address it were allowed.

If fairness, the rule was not entirely irrational. It was very difficult to make changes that didn't break stuff all over the place, and "minimal change" helped to reduce the short-term risk.

This did allow some refactoring to get sneaked in, of course -- sometimes a bug required rearchitecting code, which comes with the opportunity to refactor. And if you're adding a new feature, the new code can be properly done.

> Was your boss a super dev reading the code and calling out if it looked better?

Pretty much. He was involved in all code reviews. He single-handedly wrote the initial implementation, and I believe that he took any criticism of it, overt or implied, as a personal attack.

The truly scary part of this (for me) is that this is an enterprise product that is pretty widely used by major corporations in system-critical deployments.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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post #483

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Is this actually possible?

Yes, sending an email is very easy these days.

Thanks for enlightening me on the technologies of the 21st century. Maybe I meant if it‘s actually possible/makes sense to sue him because of an impossible deadline? Who knows
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