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Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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The predictions I was hearing weren't far off. We did know Elon was full of shit, but a lot of people thought we'd be further along by now. 5 years ago I was hearing 10-20 years. This was from people who were connected and knowledgeable in the industry. Now the same people are singing a different tune. Maybe in 20 years from now, but it's looking pretty impossible in the next 5-10 years.

10-20 years as a prediction in tech, though, generally means " shrug who knows maybe never". Historically, predictions that far ahead are virtually useless.

You are talking about mere milliseconds in the grand scheme of things. There's plenty of advancements 10-20 years off that are far from vaporware and will probably happen within 5 years of prediction.

The issue is that misestimation of a few key factors and overestimation of our current capabilities. If we already have the tech for self driving cars, maybe it will only take 10 years.

Assuming this something computers do quite well (wrong assumption, but it seemed reasonable at the time), we already have vehicles that can navigate themselves (we do), and we're only somewhat recently getting to the point that cars are sophisticated computers (mostly true, although computer control of car isn't something new.

There have been lots of ECUs for sometime, but the capabilities have really exploded. Maybe we just haven't gotten around to do self driving and the tools are in our hands right now!

When you understand how the auto industry works, 10 years is a relatively short timespan, that will result in ~2-5ish major design iterations. If you don't have the feature presently in the pipeline, the clock is really ticking, assuming it's new technology.

To deliver on the 10 year deadline, you will only have a couple years to be almost completely ready. 10 years is not "who knows", it's a bold prediction that implies the final product is imminent. People in tech didn't know what the fuck was going on, thinking we'd have taught the cars to drive and got the tech figured out in 5-7 years. It was loony toons.

Many very smart people I know, at least one of them inside the industry, seemed extremely confident of this. Things look different now.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Central banks inflate their currencies on purpose to discourage hodling. Short term savings for emergencies are good. But by hodling fiat long term - you are just losing money. Cryptobros thought that they are smarter than central banks and didn't bother to implement proper monetary policy in the Bitcoin protocol to prevent its volatility.

“Proper monetary policy” Want to elaborate? Bitcoins monetary policy is beautiful in its simplicity and predictability. In that sense, it stands in stark contrast to fiat.

A proper monetary policy would ensure price stability and predictable inflation. Bitcoin price has been all over the place, and its volatility makes it both a bad investment and a bad currency.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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>but maybe AI mainstream adoption will take longer than we anticipate.

I think no. I think most of the people will use the products without even hearing about GPT or LLM. There will be products that are based on LLM but they will have nice and easy to use UI which will be not much different that any other usual UI but they will have more advanced capabilities. People will just use them without realizing what is behind those UIs.

I think, because there is no need for user to know what is behind UI adoption of new LLM based AI will be much faster than other new technologies that we seen so far.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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post #672

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“Proper monetary policy” Want to elaborate? Bitcoins monetary policy is beautiful in its simplicity and predictability. In that sense, it stands in stark contrast to fiat.

A proper monetary policy would ensure price stability and predictable inflation. Bitcoin price has been all over the place, and its volatility makes it both a bad investment and a bad currency.

Bitcoin is priced in fiat which is itself volatile. Bitcoin must detach from fiat to gain true stability.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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It absolutely does. What leads you to believe that it doesn’t?

Comically low transaction rate, obscenely high power consumption, extreme concentration of BTC holdings in the hands of a small number of people (and companies who have very little influence of global politics), arbitrary growth rate and cap with no correspondence to economic growth, extreme volatility , inconsequentially small use for legal trade, but above all the complete and utter disinterest in it as a reserve c…

Easy to prove every point you’ve dropped here wrong. But your TL/DR is: you don’t like bitcoin.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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It absolutely does. What leads you to believe that it doesn’t?

Governments and institutions mostly don't like it, that's a pretty big reason.

Can’t argue your point on governments. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out when Bitcoin reaches the next leg up.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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All professions who need to write a lot of bullshit text are adopting NNs. So basically any advertisements, corporate news and emails etc. And parsing and responses to such ads or corpoletters, if they are required. Another area to be taken over - translations and language learning. Half a year ago my teacher had been suggesting different resources for different issues, like this online translator for this task, that…

> All professions who need to write a lot of bullshit text are adopting NNs. So basically any advertisements, corporate news and emails etc. And parsing and responses to such ads or corpoletters, if they are required.

i'm not surprised the spam industry is using ChatGPT, it does seem pretty apt to writing useless text

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Hype, maybe, but it's obviously not a passing fad like crypto was. Back then many people were trying to figure out what to do with it and we still don't really know. A week after ChatGPT was out and plenty of people were already using it for writing code, emails, and plenty of other tasks. It would be weird to argue that AI is not going to have a massive impact at many levels.

> but it's obviously not a passing fad Citation needed. I put it in the same bucket as deep CNNs - very good for specific tasks, but ultimately their lasting impact will be something trivial and faily non-world-changing like being able to search your photo collection in a slightly more clever way.

Classic NLP tasks (eg classification, summarization, translation, etc) just work with GPT-4 mostly. It is probably still possible to beat GPT-4 with a fine-tuned model, but it isn't easy. The open source LLMs are pretty good too at the classical NLP tasks, but still need to be fine-tuned in many cases. However I bet eventually open source LLMs will get close to GPT-4. What this means is that at a minimum, LLMs will be used to replace "legacy" algorithms for classical NLP tasks to boost accuracy. Also more people who have a problem that can be solved/improved with ML, but currently is cost/time/expertise prohibitive will use LLMs.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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// currently it feels like the same hype as crypto I keep seeing this take and it doesn't make any sense to me. Some tech has obvious utility and some doesn't. For example, I knew internet (web, email) were valuable when I discovered them because accessing information and communicating with people were already things I did - the internet unequivocally made them faster and easier and often cheaper. chatGPT / bard gave…

Bitcoins user experience has taken time to evolve for the better. The real draw is that it’s immutable decentralized money with a predictable print schedule. When it reaches user experience parity with the dollar then it comes down to the true fundamentals of the currency and I suspect that bitcoin wins out.

> When it reaches user experience parity with the dollar then it comes down to the true fundamentals of the currency and I suspect that bitcoin wins out.

So far the only way this even comes close to happening is by wrapping centralised systems around it (e.g., exchanges), but that comes with a whole set of different drawbacks. This does not feel like a scenario that is possible, let alone likely.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

#680
OpenAI is guarding all the information about ChatGPT popularity and usage numbers obviously. Some indirect conclusions can be made from https://www.similarweb.com/website/openai.com/#overview. The absolute numbers are huge, but the explosive growth stopped a couple months ago.
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