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It's two different things
No it isn't. Vaccines create immunity, that's the point. Also, what diseases that don't kill you also don't result in immunity? "There's no evidence of immunity" seems an absurd statement, we can literally see the antibodies people create in response to the infection. That seems like just looking for an excuse to attack the UK.
Ask HN: Is UK government insane or genius?
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Wuhan had the great majority of cases in the entire world. The other provinces of China are more analogous to individual European countries. They locked down for a few weeks and have already come back up. The long term strategies for Korea and China are the same: carefully identify new cases as they come in from outside, find their contacts, and isolate them as soon as possible. Temporarily lock down small regions on…
What I don't understand is... Won't this just flare up again in another city the size of Wuhan at some point?
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Spanish Flu mutated into a far deadlier version over time because it spread faster in hospitals and troop transports than on the streets. We may see a similar situation with corona virus if the quarantines and social distancing are too effective. Ideally, we want most cases to be transmitted from the weak cold-like corona virus cases, not the lung-infesting killer cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Dead…
To quote that article: In civilian life, natural selection favors a mild strain. Those who get very ill stay home, and those mildly ill continue with their lives, preferentially spreading the mild strain. In the trenches, natural selection was reversed. Soldiers with a mild strain stayed where they were, while the severely ill were sent on crowded trains to crowded field hospitals, spreading the deadlier virus.
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Their reasoning is that if the only things you can do are China-style lockdown or nothing, then the disease will just resume exponentially growing the second lockdown ends, so it's pointless to do it at all. No, that is almost entirely wrong. You can certainly disagree with their position but you should at least present it accurately. Their position is that this is a pandemic (i.e. spread too widely to eradicate this…
Europe right now shows the full spectrum of possible solutions. It is not as if draconian lockdowns are the only alternative. Look at Germany, for example. They've been using testing quite effectively and are also looking at primarily isolating vulnerable people. It will take some time before we know more about how successful these strategies are. Different countries are at different phases in the infection spread wh…
Re: Ask HN: Is UK government insane or genius?
#675Earlier quoted context omitted.
Europe right now shows the full spectrum of possible solutions. It is not as if draconian lockdowns are the only alternative. Look at Germany, for example. They've been using testing quite effectively and are also looking at primarily isolating vulnerable people. It will take some time before we know more about how successful these strategies are. Different countries are at different phases in the infection spread wh…
Europe is a chaotic mess. Germany is preventing exports of urgently needed masks and other medical supplies to Switzerland and Austria, Austria announced that no curfews were coming yesterday and today Tirol is under curfew and harsh curfew-like restrictions will be in place from Monday in all of Austria. I'm not really sure what the strategy is, the WHO recommendations after their China mission have been known for 3…
Germany is doing pretty well at just 9 deaths on 4.5k cases. The WHO is not the only or the best source of recommendations, nor is this over in China. I'd be very surprised if they don't see another outbreak there now that this is a pandemic it will spread to Africa for example, which has a huge no of Chinese working there who will bring it back.
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Testing in Italy was far less, the totals for there need to be inferred from the deaths and cases and the amount of testing!
Italy had 21 deaths on the 28th feb, so 2 weeks ago.
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We don't know yet how sustainable Chinese actions are. People are still in lockdown. Covid19 could come back when the lockdown is relaxed.
You are missing the fact that it doesnt matter if it "comes back" or not, what matters is that the rate at which it "returns" doesnt overflood the healthcare systems. This idea, UK policy makes hae will absolutely collapse the NHS.... But who knows, maybe that's their idea all along, to collapse the NHS, and after this is done, they will start passing laws to "reform it" and sell it by the kilo to US private healthca…
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I'm not sure following honors/awards is always the safest path, but your answer doesn't make sense to me at all: he was awarded for infectious disease control "particularly the Ebola crisis response in West Africa", which sounds to me like valuable experience, and solid ground to claim some knowledge.
The more explicit reason to view him as credible is his body of work. The award was ostensibly given in recognition of that work, so to cite the award in support of his credibility is pretty much the same thing as citing the work, just with an appeal to authority thrown in. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, an appeal to authority is as valid as the authority you’re appealing to.
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The more explicit reason to view him as credible is his body of work. The award was ostensibly given in recognition of that work, so to cite the award in support of his credibility is pretty much the same thing as citing the work, just with an appeal to authority thrown in. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, an appeal to authority is as valid as the authority you’re appealing to.
My gripe was that OC made an appeal solely on the OBE rather than his body of work. Such awards should be viewed with suspicion as they can be awarded on the basis of saying the convenient thing as much as the right thing.
Re: Ask HN: Is UK government insane or genius?
#680Here is a discussion on Channel 4 on the approach taken by the UK government. https://youtu.be/C98FmoZVbjs?t=590 Debating are: - John Edmunds: a professor in the Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine - Tomas Pueyo: his modelling of the pandemic has gone viral on the web: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-peop... During the debate,…
Boris Johnson's chief SPAD recently (this year) employed a known eugenicist, and that person only resigned after considerable public consternation.