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Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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This is totally 2nd hand anecdote, but I've heard stories from several people who worked at MSFT (all 10 plus years ago, so maybe it's changed) who put in a handful of hours of work per week. Still got promoted. Spent most of their time doing what ever, things like playing World of Warcraft in a competitive guild full time. In all cases, these people ended up leaving to go to highly demanding startups, because that's…

I interned at a startup a long time ago and met a guy who was one of the first hires at Google post-IPO. He told me that while he was there he automated all his work and was working pretty much full-time on his startup (not the one I worked at, it never took off), only coming in 1-2 hours a day to be seen in the office/reply to emails.

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Find a company that is as less ambitious as you. A lot of "work load" in traditional tech sector businesses comes from either the ambitions of the company or ambitions of the higher-ups (nothing wrong with either btw). There are plenty of non-sexy, service-sector, small businesses out there that wouldn't mind having a dependable IT resource. But even if you found somebody like this, I wouldn't be forthright with this motive. Nobody would hire a self-professed slacker.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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This can be the biggest factor. It can't be understated. For example, my wife won't let me consider relocating and spends basically all her money on hobbies. This limits my job options to locally available ones (not a great area) and that I can't get a less stressful job because it pays less and I need my current salary to pay all the bills.

For many years my partner and I operated in the same way. I paid our rent, utilities and food while she spent on her hobbies and saved. I was not unhappy during this time because I didn't want much. A few years ago though, I became a bit more financially aware after having my first soul crushing job and realizing I couldn't rely on work to produce income in the same "easy" way I had when I was younger. The emotional…

I can relate to this but my wife is attractive, smart, honest and loyal so it seems like a fair trade. I earn all the income, do most of the house chores, spend almost nothing on myself, buy her almost everything she wants, move to whatever country she wants to go, I let her win all arguments (including arguments about who does the most chores). Thankfully when she sees me getting overly stressed, she gives me some slack. She even stayed with me after we ran out of money (I say we because we share all bank accounts) - Running out of money is the best test for a relationship.

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If you want my advice, it is simply this: look for dysfunctional companies. They're easy to recognize, because they look like pretty much the opposite of those companies everybody really want to work at. Take everything you see from a website like Elastic[1] for example and invert it: - It should NOT be clear what the value proposition is. - The website should NOT adhere to modern design standards, or at least do so…

> look for dysfunctional companies This theme is common in the thread and is wildly wrong. First I recommend reading Bullshit Jobs to get some perspective on how others have fulfilled your goals. Big, rich, process-driven companies and institutions are the easiest to do the least work in for the longest time . Process is the toxin low-effort thrives on. An admin role at Google pays more and works much less than an en…

Yes to university or government jobs as being good places to "disappear" and still earn a decent salary (with generally very good benefits). It's also very unlikely you will get fired once you've been around for a little while.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Find a company that is as less ambitious as you. A lot of "work load" in traditional tech sector businesses comes from either the ambitions of the company or ambitions of the higher-ups (nothing wrong with either btw). There are plenty of non-sexy, service-sector, small businesses out there that wouldn't mind having a dependable IT resource. But even if you found somebody like this, I wouldn't be forthright with this…

Most companies that aren't trying to "scale" can have a nice cadence

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Hi, this is me. I do extremely little at my job. I get paid around $100k which isn't a ton by FAANG standards but it's comfortable for my two bedroom house I'm renting. I drive a cheap car and eat out frequently but I'm pretty frugal. I'll never be able to afford actually buying a house where I live but most youngerish people can't either (average is around $750k).

I was a developer for many years and absolutely hated having a permanent record of my productivity via commits. I hated that I couldn't just fuck around and do nothing on a given day without there being a glaring spot tarnishing my commit history. I hated the lack of diversity in what I was doing. I hated building shit that was pointless and stupid. And I've been programming since I was a teenager and I'm sick of it.

The advice I've seen here but maybe not in the exact same words that I agree with: do a tech job in a non-tech company. But specifically NOT programming. And make sure it's a really tech-stupid company. This all describes my current employer.

I'm an "architect" for my company's very small tech team. The most time consuming aspect of my job is sitting on zoom meetings, of which I have maybe 5 hours a week worth. My work outside those meetings is at most another 5 hours with a few exceptions. I've had many weeks where it was 0 hours outside meetings, and it's rare that I ever talk in the meetings I sit in on. I mostly have to build out the occasional documentation, send some emails, and generally just check boxes to make sure shit isn't going to break. I definitely needed my development background to get this job and I do use my dev knowledge frequently, but you could be the world's shittiest developer and still do my job just fine.

I really want to get paid more. I want to be able to actually buy a home. Maybe in a couple-few years I will start applying to some other place but only if it pays $150k+, and given how fucking little do I my job I think it would be really hard to sell myself for a role like that unless I just lie my ass off.

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This is a real shame. I wish we could do something to stop this insanity. Their dogmatic approach to D&I is really scary honestly. On top of that, you are marked if you are a "cis white male". It doesn't matter if you are an immigrant. It doesn't matter if you are jewish (less than 0.003% of the global population, so one of most minority minorities), doesn't matter if you have a rich ethnic background with white skin…

Because that’s not what it’s about; it’s about having a diverse leadership that more closely resembles the makeup of our nation and communities. Cis white men make up only about 30% of our population but account for probably 80% (and that’s being generous) of positions above middle management. It’s the cultural homogeneity that’s the business problem, and that doesn’t get solved without the right optics. Most of thes…

But as it's been said many times, corporations aren't democracies. (And regardless of moral value, they never will be.) The expectation that your leadership should look like you is fraught and misunderstands the whole idea of a corporation. We don't hire according to population makeup, we hire according to an arbitrary set of metrics that roughly correlate with drive to create value.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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First off, I think the primary objective should be creating value for the company you work for. Bums in seats, lines of code written does not always produce value. I think any position where you can automate away your daily tasks, and that's an expectation of the job, is great. There is no shortage of companies that maybe run on legacy software that requires a ton of effort to keep things running. You'd be surprised…

Let's assume that we, like our employers, are rational economic actors seeking to maximize the returns we receive from our capital and labor. Then our primary objective in job with static hours and static compensation would be to expend the bare amount of effort needed to retain employment. Creating value for the company would be an auxiliary objective in support of retaining employment.

You and the OP seem to be basing your arguments off different assumptions.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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> having to surreptitiously waste 35 hours a week turns out to be quite draining. This is the real nightmare for me. If I go in and code for 7 or 8 hours a day, time flies and my mind is active and focused. Really doesn't matter what it is, just needs to be clear and well defined.

> just needs to be clear and well defined Jeez I wish I had work like that. Maybe 1 in 10 tickets is clear and well defined where I work.

At the my current job, I don't even have tickets just slack messages consisting of hey can you do this inset vague thing, and after asking for multiple clarifications to narrow the possible interpretation I start working on it.

Guess what ? The last Big task/Project I had to do morphed into another one each time I reported that I was done for 11 times in a row, midway I just gave up mentally.

And it all started with "hey can you do a small script to download some CSVs from this server"

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