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Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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post #570

The Plan 9 operating system. It's the closest thing to a Unix successor we ever got, taking the "everything is a file" philosophy to another level and allowing to easily share those files over the network to build distributed systems. Accessing any remote resources is easy and robust on Plan9, meanwhile on other systems we need to install specialized software with bad interoperability for each individual use case. Pl…

Plan 9 Filesystem Protocol lives on inside WSL2.

9P is used everywhere in the VM ecosystem. It's clean and simple and well supported by almost all guests.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Prodigy (the online service). I'm not saying I wish it was still alive, but it contained some amazing technology for the time (mid- to late 1980s), much of which is now present in web tech:

- Client software that ran a VM which received "objects" from a central server (complete with versioning so it would intelligently download new objects when necessary). Versions were available for IBM (DOS), Windows, and Mac. Think of it as an early browser.

- Multiple access points and large internal network for storing and delivering content nationwide. This was their proprietary CDN.

- Robust programming language (TBOL/PAL) for developing client-side apps which could also interact with the servers. Just like Javascript.

- Vector (NAPLPS) graphics for fast downloading (remember, Prodigy started in the days when modems maxed out at 1200 baud); later they added JPG support.

- Vast array of online services: shopping, banking, nationwide news, BBSes, mail (before Internet email was popular), even airline reservations.

All this was run by a partnership between IBM, Sears, and CBS (the latter dropped out early). They were the Google of the time.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if the world was all XHTML, then you wouldn't put an ad on your site that wasn't valid XHTML, the same way you wouldn't import a python library that's not valid python.

>, then you wouldn't put an ad on your site that wasn't valid XHTML, You're overlooking how incentives and motivations work. The gp (and their employer) wants to integrate the advertisement snippet -- even with broken XHTML -- because they receive money for it . The semantic data ("advertiser's message") is more important than the format ("purity of perfect XHTML"). Same incentives would happen with a jobs listing we…

> You're overlooking how incentives and motivations work. The gp (and their employer) wants to integrate the advertisement snippet -- even with broken XHTML -- because they receive money for it.

Make the advertisement block an iframe with the src attribute set to the advertiser's URL. If the advertiser delivers invalid XHTML code, only the advertisement won't render.

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post #532

The Ricochet network. A packet mesh network providing ISDN speeds in the dialup era, wirelessly. They burned through $5B of 1999 dollars, building out a network in 23 cities, and had effectively zero customers. Finally shut down in 2001. All their marketing was focused on "mobile professionals", whoever those were, while ignoring home users who were clamoring for faster internet where other ISPs dragged their feet. T…

I loved my Ricochet modems so damn much. Sitting in a coffeeshop in Palo Alto with an Apple Powerbook and a second generation Ricochet modem rocking web browsing and ssh sessions at 56k when wifi was unknown to the general public. I still have a couple in a box somewhere and I am tempted to see if I can get them into star mode.

I can totally see clabretro or cathode ray dude doing a video with you on this

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Adobe Flash / Shockwave. After all these decades, I've yet to see a tool that makes it as easy to make games or multimedia as Flash did. One of many reminders recently (many others in politics) that humanity doesn't just inevitably or linearly move forward in any domain, or even 2 steps forward 1 step back. Some things are just lost to time - maybe rediscovered in a century, maybe never.

Try Roblox! Unless you haven't yet. I was SO impressed. Everything works as expected. 5 minutes after starting the game making kit I totally understood why Roblox is worth billions. It just works. It's magic. All can be scripted, but also any 6y.o. can use it.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that’s an entirely fair characterization. They obviously spend a great deal of time focusing on what their (human) shareholders want.

Well, that's fair. Overpaid managers and principle engineers spun "secret projects" and products like Glass well to be an elitist experience for special people. But I won't forgive not letting Wave bake and mature. Q: Do they have non-human shareholders I don't know about, or do they have shareholders who lack qualities present in most living human beings?

I’ve only met a few of their significant shareholders and based on that, I’d say the jury is still out.

I remember being excited by wave when the demo hit but never had a use for what it offered at that point in my career.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Flash would have died sooner. It was a plague on the web, you couldn't zoom, select text, go back, just a black box ignoring everything about your web browser. Killing it was probably the best thing Jobs ever did.

This. Flash was awful. I see people defending it and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

For the most part, people are talking about games and animation, not text based websites.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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post #559

Lytro light field cameras. The tech was impressive and the company was able to put two products on to the shelves, though unfortunately they hadn't quite reached the image quality needed for professional photographers. But now with the new Meta Ray-Bans featuring a light field display and with new media like gaussian splats we're on the verge of being able to make full usage of all the data those cameras were able ca…

> unfortunately they hadn't quite reached the image quality needed for professional photographers. I always wondered about that - since it works by interleaving pixels at different focal depths, there's always going to be a resolution tradeoff that a single-plane focus camera wouldn't. It's such a cool idea though, and no more difficult to manufacturer than a sensor + micro lens array.

In fact, the Lytro Illum (the big one) had a really nice, very flexible, bright super-zoom lens. If you ever wondered how that was achieved: having the microlens array and a light field sensor (1) allows relaxing so many aberration constraints on the lens that you could have a light, compact super-zoom.

(1) it's not really different focal depths, it's actually more like multiple independent apertures at different spatial locations, each with a lower resolution sensor behind it - stereovision on steroids (stereoids?)

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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post #367

- Photon, the graphical interface for QNX. Oriented more towards real time (widgets included gauges) but good enough to support two different web browsers. No delays. This was a real time operating system. - MacOS 8. Not the Linux thing, but Copeland. This was a modernized version of the original MacOS, continuing the tradition of no command line. Not having a command line forces everyone to get their act together ab…

>- XHTML. [...] Would it kill people to have to close their tags properly? XHTML appeals to the intuition that there should be a Strict Right Way To Do Things ... but you can't use that unforgiving framework for web documents that are widely shared. The "real world" has 2 types of file formats: (1) file types where consumers cannot contact/control/punish the authors (open-loop) : HTML, pdf, zip, csv, etc. The common…

> That's why Adobe Reader will read malformed pdf files written by buggy PDF libraries.

No, the reason is that Adobe’s implementation never bothered to perform much validation, and then couldn’t add strict validation retroactively because it would break too many existing documents.

And it’s really the same for HTML.

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