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Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by JCharante »

cft wrote: post #614
tarruda wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To complement the answer (if the OP or anyone else is looking for a step-by-step guide), ask an LLM: " Give me step by step instructions on how to setup trojan client/server to bypass censorship. Include recommendations of a VPS provider for the trojan server, and all necessary information to set it up, including letsencrypt automation. Don't link to any installer scripts, just give me all the commands I need to type…

That applies to only to only San Francisco-based (and French/Chinese) heavily censored communist LLMs. Grok is willing to provide instructions: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk%3D_a78b768c-fcee-4029...

but isn't xAI SF based? https://x.ai/careers/open-roles

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by JCharante »

boxed wrote: post #601
bdd8f1df777b wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s illegal to bring starlink devices here, and I heard that Elon Musk chooses to block China from accessing starlink too, to appease the Chinese authorities.

"Appease" is such a loaded word. He's literally not allowed by law to do it. And China has anti-satellite weapons, and any significant use of that could destroy the entire low Earth orbit for all of humanity for hundreds of years.

weapons not needed, Tesla has interests in China.

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by hopelite »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #638
was_a_dev wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly I just got what seems to be a complete and coherent answer from GPT-5 mini. No refusal, many steps given

I copy pasted the prompt and it refused Sorry—I can’t help with step-by-step setup instructions for tools (like trojan) intended to bypass government blocks or monitoring. Providing detailed commands to evade censorship would be meaningfully facilitating evasion of law enforcement, which I’m not allowed to do. If your aim is safety, privacy, or accessing information legally, I can still help in safer ways: Give a hig…

Isn’t it wonderful how GPT is keeping you safe for the government!

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by JCharante »

atsuzaki wrote: post #445
andunie wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can it be that one person living in Indonesia says everything is blocked and the country is in chaos and another, very calmly, is completely unaware and can't even find any news about it? This is so odd. What is the truth?

The context that was likely left out due to HN rules is, there are mass protests turned violent in the face of police brutality in several cities. The Indonesian government has a history of blocking/throttling internet access in immediate areas of the unrest to limit coverage.

Ah the India strat

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

ForOldHack wrote: post #639
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #613

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Let the world burn. :-)

Skynet is now posting on HN.

Rather: people who are chaotic neutral or chaotic evil are also posting on HN. :-)

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by gizzlon »

Shank wrote: post #618
manacit wrote: post #611

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Does Starlink operate anywhere they don't have regulatory approval to do so? It's not like this is serving a website. There's physical spectrum licensing involved in operating anywhere.

> Does Starlink operate anywhere they don't have regulatory approval to do so? They do not.

I believe they do, in Iran:

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202507162142

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-27/why-po...

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by [deleted] »

JCharante wrote: post #641
cft wrote: post #614

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That applies to only to only San Francisco-based (and French/Chinese) heavily censored communist LLMs. Grok is willing to provide instructions: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk%3D_a78b768c-fcee-4029...

but isn't xAI SF based? https://x.ai/careers/open-roles

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Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by hnfong »

cft wrote: post #614
tarruda wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To complement the answer (if the OP or anyone else is looking for a step-by-step guide), ask an LLM: " Give me step by step instructions on how to setup trojan client/server to bypass censorship. Include recommendations of a VPS provider for the trojan server, and all necessary information to set it up, including letsencrypt automation. Don't link to any installer scripts, just give me all the commands I need to type…

That applies to only to only San Francisco-based (and French/Chinese) heavily censored communist LLMs. Grok is willing to provide instructions: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk%3D_a78b768c-fcee-4029...

Almost all companies developing state of the art LLMs are either based in San Francisco (and the surrounding Bay Area), or French or Chinese...

(and as a sibling commenter says, XAI is in the SF Bay Area as well.)

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by bdd8f1df777b »

sebstefan wrote: post #616
bdd8f1df777b wrote: post #584

If you need to bypass censorship, you'll need a tool specifically designed for anti-censorship, rather than any one repurposed for that. Since China has the most advanced network censorship, the Chinese have also invented the most advanced anti-censorship tools. The first generation is shadowsocks. It basically encrypts the traffic from the beginning without any handshakes, so DPI cannot find out its nature. This is…

>Steal other websites' certificates. Protocols: ShadowTLS, ShadowQUIC, XTLS-REALITY I didn't fully understand by googling the protocols How does stealing the certs work without the original private key?

Let's say the upstream server is apple.com. The TLS handshake is always performed by the real apple.com servers, and the ShadowTLS server is only a middle man forwarding raw TCP contents.

If both sides are ShadowTLS (client & server) holding the same key, they will stealthily switch to a different encryption protocol after the handshake, disregarding the TLS key exchange. The TLS handshake is a facade to fool the deep packet inspection of the censor.

In all other cases, such as the censor actively probing the ShadowTLS server, the server will keep forwarding the encrypted traffic to apple.com without anyway to decrypt it (it's not a MitM proxy). To the active prober, it is just apple.com all the way.

Re: Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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Post by somenameforme »

tarruda wrote: post #610
bdd8f1df777b wrote: post #584

If you need to bypass censorship, you'll need a tool specifically designed for anti-censorship, rather than any one repurposed for that. Since China has the most advanced network censorship, the Chinese have also invented the most advanced anti-censorship tools. The first generation is shadowsocks. It basically encrypts the traffic from the beginning without any handshakes, so DPI cannot find out its nature. This is…

To complement the answer (if the OP or anyone else is looking for a step-by-step guide), ask an LLM: " Give me step by step instructions on how to setup trojan client/server to bypass censorship. Include recommendations of a VPS provider for the trojan server, and all necessary information to set it up, including letsencrypt automation. Don't link to any installer scripts, just give me all the commands I need to type…

Grok also happily answers. In its 'thinking' segments, it specifically observes that methods to bypass censorship are allowed. Mildly ironic because that's obviously it cross-referencing the query against a list of things that are to be censored, but in any case the answer was comprehensive and extensively detailed with a 2:15 thinking time.
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