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Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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If someone doesn't take it personal, isn't that a sign that he/she doesn't care too much? Speaking for myself: I wouldn't desire to be disinterested in my work.

guess everything depends on the context, however the context can be misunderstood.

The best way is to take a break, this makes it easier to evaluate the information in it's proper context.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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> Personally I believe members of that group to be below valueless. Well, this seems like an extreme attitude that doesn't account for a large swath of how the world actually works, and is often gotten to that point by personal bias and not questioning beliefs constructively. Its flawed because its an overgeneralization. To provide an example, are there people that have been wrongfully convicted. Have any of those pe…

You’ve missed the point, but also helped support their point. The comment was about criminals that rape and murder - as in people that perform those actions. Whether society accurately captures and properly deals with those people is an entirely different subject. The fact society even has to do so is a net negative

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Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#643
quote "don't give advice unless asked"

it is not you! i think most of the people feel the same way. at least i do

i suspect that in your case a review is mandatory as well as fixing its comments.

from my perspective a review should be optional. You should ask for a review if needed and ask whomever you consider worth making it. You should be responsible for your code and have authority to change it without any PRs.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#644
Just separate all critics in 2 parts:

1) Professionals in your sphere: Take as much critics from professionals in your sphere as you can. Sometimes you need to even pay for this. Analyse and go forward. The more mistakes you will make the faster you will reach your goal. Act it as a game.

2) All others: Just tell them magic words: "This is only your opinion, Thanks!" and do nothing.

Be happy )))

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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There’s a few things I see in your post. One is an implied notion of objective rankings of worth of humans, and binary labels for people. Your post explicitly categorized “all criminals” and “all my friends” at disjoint sets. I can’t speak for your friends, but many of mine are “criminals” in the sense of disregard for drug laws. If you’re willing to sweep minor traffic violations under the heading “criminal” you’d p…

I don’t think there is an objective ranking of worths of humans. What is valuable is inherently subjective. Everyone has a different value system. However, I believe there is a large amount of overlap, especially in the extremes. Most people find murder and rape deplorable, for instance. That is the group I was referring to when I said “criminals”. Personally, I believe members of that group to be below valueless, i.…

What you say makes sense but misses a critical point i.e of self compassion. Looking at the piano example, if they are kind to themselves and based on the amount of compassion they have, a failure of screwing up a few keys might be nothing, missing a piece from a song might be a bad day and screwing up a live orchestra may be a learning experience. To another unkind to self piano play one or all of these are catastrophes and a hit to ones self esteem. Both of these folks are experienced piano players but the former is able to disconnect and review their mistakes without placing a judgement on self(i.e. being a harsh parent to self.)

Depending on how harshly one judges oneself is the reason for not handling criticism to ones failings. No one is perfect so one better be kind and try to learn from their mistakes and not take it on their ego.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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Conversations aren't pure textual exchanges and people aren't robots. Things like subtext, tone, word usage, appropriateness of timing, (like interrupting a presentation,) the volume of your voice, who else is present, the examples that you give and analogies you make to explain yourself, and plenty of other factors weigh into how something lands. If someone wants to conversationally bully someone or make them look u…

Part of the issue is that "Polite" in american has trended towards indirection. "I'm not sure that was the best choice" is American for "That absolutely was not the best choice and must be reverted immediately" .

A) That's not an American thing. US confrontation etiquette is still far more direct than British, for example, even if less direct than in, say, scandanavian countries. B) If the message ends up being the same, what is the actual negative effect? I'm not saying you have to like it, but it seems to be an entirely aesthetic "get off my lawn" sort of complaint. Giving shitty, incomplete feedback is just as possible using direct language. C) Since we're talking anecdotally, the people I've met that gave great, frank, direct feedback just did it because they out obligated to, and even in art school with young students, I've seen few people get defensive. It was calm, well-reasoned, and completely no bullshit. Then there are people who might have said very little, or maybe even a lot, but did it in a shitty arrogant tone and that got everybody's hackles up. Everyone I've met aggrieved about not feeling free to give direct feedback was the second type. C) Directness is just a slice of a much larger topic.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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Stopping myself from replying immediately has saved my bacon more than a few times.

Another good approach: Write down that email/ message in a text editor but just leave it there for a day. Often, I'd realize that I don't want to send it at all. The emotion was processed and now it's fine. Sometimes, there is a valid point (e.g. because someone was rude in tone) and I'd just give that as feedback in a non-violent manner.

This is my go to method. Write/vent it down somewhere(privately) and just forget about it(you usually feels much better after write it down anyway) I often found that the things in my head that I got so worked up a week ago is just mostly my made up thought.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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Average parties, ok friend.

>Can a slacker goodfornothing McDonald's-working college dropout that only live day to day, party to party, feel self-worth or should they feel worthless? The person you posited has more self -worth, by definition , than the self -doubting programmers in this thread. Precisely because they are getting by while doing something much less "meaningful" or "useful" (as evaluated by others ) than a job in software engineer…

You can feel whatever you want to feel. That doesn't mean it translate to anything in reality.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Can a slacker goodfornothing McDonald's-working college dropout that only live day to day, party to party, feel self-worth or should they feel worthless? The person you posited has more self -worth, by definition , than the self -doubting programmers in this thread. Precisely because they are getting by while doing something much less "meaningful" or "useful" (as evaluated by others ) than a job in software engineer…

You can feel whatever you want to feel. That doesn't mean it translate to anything in reality.

>That doesn't mean it translate to anything in reality.

Absolutely true and exactly my point: while you're feeling what others want you to feel, you're missing out on feeling things that do translate to actual, valid insights about your reality.

For example, this whole absurd notion of "self-worth" that we're discussing here. It's there to scam you into thinking about yourself what others think about you - even though they're not in your shoes, and may even have a vested interest in seeing you down.

Even the name of that concept is misleading (how is your self-worth dependent on your worth to others, unless you yourself make it so?). And here we are talking about "reality" as if human social reality is not predominantly a linguistic construct, and constantly subjected to these absolutely ridiculous abstract symbolic switcheroos, that people only fall for because they believe they have better things to do than get their thinking in order.

>You can feel whatever you want to feel.

But you can only want what you feel like wanting. So you're still trapped: desire is either intrinsic or mimetic, feelings are conditioned, yada yada.

And I'm pretty sure you can't actually "feel whatever you want to feel" - not without a Nozickian "experience machine" or years of advanced meditation practice, anyway.

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