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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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> Transfers of wealth from productive to unproductive industries arent risks worth rewarding Down that path lies authoritarianism: who decides what is productive? Is art productive? Is your comment on HN productive? Is beer productive? Is Haskell productive? Are you productive? It isn’t hard to argue most everything is non-productive. Remove all non-productive uses of money or time, and what is left?

I think you may be confusing economics terms with moral and ethical distinctions. I’ll grant that the idea of productive and unproductive labor is an outdated economic concept. Regardless, academically defining something as more or less productive than something else is not authoritarian. Nor is deciding personally if something is “good” or “bad”. Now if someone in government decided to create and pass legislation ba…

> I think you may be confusing economics terms with moral and ethical distinctions

mjburgess’ comment appears to be using virtuous, religiously worded, moral arguments against the “waste” of cryptocurrencies. I am not making an economic argument and neither was mjburgess: my argument is about liberty and I am against people that imply that our personal choices or values are unworthy, because by their morals the choices of others are waste. I personally might agree that cryptocurrencies appear to be negative value for the economy, and I might see them bring negative value to some of my acquaintances. That is not the issue. We should aim for the ideal of being as free as practical to make wasteful choices: the waste of having a child, breathing, thinking, or doing absolutely anything, really. As you say, that freedom needs careful balancing against how our personal liberties affect others.

I am looking at that comment as an single example within a wider milieu: one dangerous opinion dressed up in what superficially appears to be a sensible economic argument.

> is not authoritarian

Strawman words in my mouth. I never said it was authoritarian, I said: “down that path lies authoritarianism”.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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This isn't about losing 1% of your wealth gambling. This is about wealth inequality. This is about watching as resources are entirely captured for a very small few. But history will continue to teach lessons about what happens when the rich get too big for their britches.

Who said 1%? I know people who have just lost most of their life savings in this crypto crash. My view is that they gambled big, and some won and others lost. My point is that I'm not angry at the ones who won, nor particularly sympathetic to those who lost, because I'm happy with my decision to stay out of the game even though I at one point held a winning ticket.

You are by yourself and will never understand the solidarity that workers have in each other. That communities have in each other if this is how you view life.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Anecdotes is not evidence or at all valid and is completely worthless. > you keep telling that it's only for gambling (which is a valid use case too anyway). With all speculation that is the majority of what everyone is doing in the crypto space, this still proves it is pretty useless for anything else as I said. Nothing has changed, more people like yourself included will continue to glance at the price of this wort…

Besides already using crypto for legit purposes, I don't know about your losses but I'm happy with the nice car that I've bought with the right crypto investments. Keep crying.

Who said I had losses or invested in anything?

I'm sure that is your great message for those who lost all their life savings, college funds, commited suicide, lost their house and can't pay their bills with all the tokens you sold them to.

So maybe they should 'Keep crying'?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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It's a Macro crash. SP500 is down -%5 YTD. Meta -37%, Netflix -65%. Lots of pain spreading. You shouldn't gloat or be happy. Give it a couple of more months like this, and lots of the HN audience would be worried about layoffs. The security of your average software developer job is strongly tied to market cycles. If you want a place to direct your hate and bitterness, I would do it at the architects of the BOOM/BUSTS…

Comparing the stock market crash to LUNA/UST crash is not the same thing. Luna went from $100 to 1 cent. UST was also meant to be a stable coin, it was sold as being equivalent to stacking your money in a savings account, just stable currency that follows the USD value. Lots of people took their money OUT of many coins, and moved it to UST for "stability" thinking that their nest was safe during the storm. (Of course…

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Actually, the Twitter stuff emphasized just the opposite - even after the board agreed to the sale, a majority of shareholders (well, specifically, a majority of the voting power as determined by shares) still had to agree. And because they did, Musk is on track to own Twitter. Facebook also demonstrates it - Zuckerberg and a few others (many of whom have given him voting power on their behalf) own 'Class B' stock, w…

> Zuckerberg and a few others (many of whom have given him voting power on their behalf) own 'Class B' stock, which is worth 10 votes (and thus could reasonably be treated as each share being worth 10 of Class A shares). the stock exchanges really missed a trick by not prohibiting this sort of bullshit

It's not really that different than just issuing 11x class B stock, and sitting on 10x, except that it looks like Zuck has less control than he actually does.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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I feel bad for people losing money, but crypto has not lived up to its potential at all, remains a solution looking for a problem, and is an environmental disaster. I used to be a huge believer. Brian Armstrong gave me my first Bitcoin in 2011 at District in SOMA. Electricity was included in my rent so I bought 10 video cards and mined for about two years on 5 systems. At a company I founded, I use Bitcoin to pay for…

Im in the same boat. Started with bitcoin in 2013, bought ethereum in the presale, did freelance app development for all sorts of crypto startups (including coinbase). Was a true believer in the technique. But over the years it became clear it was never going to have a big impact. We went from people armiring the tech, to people with no knowledge about the tech, but with big dollar signs in their eyes. Then in 2016 I…

I sold out in 2017 after seeing Bitcoin on CNBC for the first time. I figured that meant the dream was over.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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It is ignored because for the vast majority of customers, the intermediary is not a problem. In fact, the intermediary is usually an asset. I know when I buy something with my credit card or PayPal, that payment processor has me covered if the seller tries to screw me over. The people who hate the intermediaries are the sellers, because they don't like losing a small % of their sale to a payment processor. But seller…

> They have to accept payment in whatever form customers are willing to provide it in. Customers aren't going to move away from PayPal and credit cards without a good reason, and so far crypto has failed to provide that reason. In general this is just an illustration of the racket between banks and card companies, since customers really only seek to pay using the payment options their bank provides upon opening an ac…

Cryptocurrency is too volatile to use as currency. Even with all the recent inflation in USD, the gallons of milk I earn per hour hasn't changed all that much in the past year. If my local dairy accepted Bitcoin, I'd have no idea how many gallons I could buy with an hour's labor next month.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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> Do you know of any other way to send electronic cash with no intermediaries (EDIT: financial institutions) In practice you need a bank account to use bitcoin, there's essentially nobody who uses bitcoin that doesn't have a bank account, so the "no intermediaries" thing isn't really meaningful, nobody cares about this.

Yes, for now it is not needed. The Canadian truckers didn't have bank accounts for a moment (maybe still ongoing). As financial prosecution, eventually algorithmically (have you seen on the threads on HN recently about people getting permabanned from various services for seemingly no reason?) ramps up, and CDBC rolls out... There is no constitutional guarantee for the freedom to use payment networks so this inevitabl…

People under sanctions are also sanctioned from using cryptocurrency under penalty of law.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Do you know of any other way to send electronic cash with no intermediaries (EDIT: financial institutions)? It's the first sentence of the whitepaper and ignored by 99% of people, including highly paid software developers. Whether or not you need that will depend on where the world goes. A CDBC social-credit system world presents a lot of incentives to use something else. And if you do need it, you need it ahead of t…

> with no intermediaries? You're connecting to some nodes, right, to send the transaction? Those are intermediaries. Very very few holders of crypto run their own nodes, these days.

This is something I've been wondering about lately. People still talk about the blockchain, but how relevant is the blockchain anymore? It seems like most people never directly interact with it.
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