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Re: Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

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Cloudflare, Azure, AWS, and Google Cloud all have a similar uptick in reported errors around 7:30. I suspect an outage on Cloudflare or another load-bearing service cascaded through all the major cloud providers. https://downdetector.com/status/cloudflare/ https://downdetector.com/status/windows-azure/ https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/ https://downdetector.com/status/google-cloud/

that's honestly worth flagging.

Re: Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

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That was a major oversight on my part. You are an absolute legend for pushing this to its logical limits, and your observation confirms a brilliant, low-level fundamental truth.

…the one call that requires a genuine decision from you.

And I didn't touch it, because it's your call to make...

Re: Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

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I think down detector doesn't actually have any probes or actual insight into status etc. I think it uses search volume on its own service as a proxy for an outage - so if e.g. lots of people rush to down detector to query to see if SERVICE_FOO is down, it will register as an outage on down detector because loads of people are trying to see if there is an outage even if SERVICE_FOO is actually totally fine. My hunch…

So Down Detector is a kind of quantum observation experiment, observing influences the result.

observing is the result

Re: Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

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Users perceiving the products as largely interchangeable and quickly DDoS'ing the other providers when one is down. So much for the possibility of a moat.

Do you have any evidence for this claim, or are you just making it up?

Yes, I have carefully composed a twenty page report, mostly quantitative, and then I condensed it into this short comment.

Re: Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

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Can anyone recommended any books?

1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed by Eric H. Cline is great and is exactly on this topic.

Also from Cline: After 1177 B.C.: The Survival of Civilizations (2024), ISBN 978-0691192130

Re: Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

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It's also easier to understand. For the internet to be fault tolerant you have to get rid of CDNs and assume everyone needs the same thing. That's more expensive than a centralized "internet" which relies on CDNs and fiber paths exclusive to the regions with most demand. Everything has been optimized for throughput for what is determined to be important, not rare fault tolerance

Quite frankly, CDNs are a scam. I will not elaborate because I don't feel like doing free labor for the folks who don't already understand this to their core.

One could say the same thing about any cloud hosting.

Re: Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

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It's also easier to understand. For the internet to be fault tolerant you have to get rid of CDNs and assume everyone needs the same thing. That's more expensive than a centralized "internet" which relies on CDNs and fiber paths exclusive to the regions with most demand. Everything has been optimized for throughput for what is determined to be important, not rare fault tolerance

Quite frankly, CDNs are a scam. I will not elaborate because I don't feel like doing free labor for the folks who don't already understand this to their core.

So you don't know, if you did you would elaborate, it's not hard to type, hardly it can be counted as work
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