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> speech to text, language translation, recommendation engines, relevancy ranking in search, computer vision You know very well that that's not what GP is referring to. Speech to text, natural language translation, recommendation, and computer vision are all very useful things, but also were very much real and in consumer hands long before the current hype cycle. Generative AIs are in their hype cycle. IMO the tech i…

Bitcoin still has the potential to become the worlds reserve currency. That’s pretty legit.

No, it really doesn't.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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"Certain personalities and communication styles are able to generate useful prompts." Would you mind expanding on that a bit? I've largely had great experiences getting what I want out of ChatGPT. But I've been continually surprised by the number (and variety) of people who don't see the utility of it.

For the chat systems I've found acting like Columbo (from 1970's TV detective) works wonders: you want to be polite but persistent, open but not gullible. Don't fight it, but don't just let it drive. For the non-chat interfaces, I imagine a whiteboarding session with a really competent intern at the board, rapid prototyping / wireframing that you can play with "live" and refine far further than you could IRL, but sti…

I've heard it described as a new kind of mirror test - one we're not instinctually good at.

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My mind is blown how useful ChatGPT is. There are certain types of questions it nails where Google search is useless. You’re just an early adopter. Broader adoption is coming, it will just take time.

I really wish I understood this response. I've played with ChatGPT a good bit and it's very impressive but more often than not it feels like a nice skin on top of Wikipedia. It doesn't do any actual reasoning so I can't drill in to topics to the depth that I want and it's wrong often enough that if I'm working on anything of any consequence, I have to go find other information later to validate it

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> The era of having a personal voice assistant that is capable, adaptable, and intuitive is VERY close Year of the voice assistant is getting close to year of Linux on desktop. What you’re promising has been promised time and time again, received endless hype cycles then collapsed once people realised the limits of the technology. Yes, this time the tech is much more capable than what came before but I’m inclined to…

What you’re missing is that with LLMs the chief obstacle with voice assistants changed overnight from “how do we develop a system that can easily interact in natural language” (at the time, a very hard and possibly unsolvable problem) to “how do we expose our systems to API-driven input/output” (a solvable problem that just takes time). Case in point, I asked Siri to change my work address. She stated that I needed t…

50% of the time Siri’s inability to understand what I want is the issue, and I don’t even try that much, given the bad experience.

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I teach college, and in the beginning days, everyone was screaming about "the students will have chatGPT write papers now". Well, apart from the fact that chatGPT is really incapable of developing a thought, and also apart from the fact that half will fail to delete sentences like "I'm a language model, so I can't..." (insert gist of question here), it's painfully obvious if something is LLM generated. The moment a s…

I get that you think it's overhyped but how can you be thoroughly unimpressed ? This stuff was pure science-fiction just a couple of years ago.

Not the OP, but mostly because it doesn’t do what I’d want an AI to do.

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The missing productivity paradox is something that should interest everyone in tech! Like any macroeconomic observation, there is plenty of uncertainty in both the measurements (GDP ain't perfect) and the context (2 financial crises and a pandemic). But even pro-status-quo institutions like Brookings agree that Something Is Up. Their 2021 review on the topic is both a decent summary and a good source of further refs…

Another explanation that I find persuasive, put forward by Ezra Klein, is that productivity-sapping uses of technology grew along with the productivity-boosting ones: social media, for example, is a powerful mechanism for distracting people and destroying their attention spans. If this is a good explanation, it begs the question of what AI might do to destroy productivity as well. If you’re constantly sexting with yo…

> More hypothetically, I would also expect that a world in which people spend a lot of time with screens strapped to their head, consuming an infinite stream of entertainment provided by generative AI, is not going to produce higher GDP.

Yeah, I think this dovetails with the idea that IT may be satisfying preference allocations without increasing overall production. Watching 10 movies a month on a streaming service adds much less to the GDP than going to the cinema 10x, but if the selection is better it might satisfy you more. Economists sometimes attempt to measure this with "utility adjustments" which recognize increasing quality in the same goods, but it's very hard for those adjustments to account for the hidden preferences of the consumers as opposed to objective qualities of a good or service.

Information goods like social media and streaming, financial services like pay-me-later, and conveniences like next-day delivery are all examples of activities that might suit preferences without showing up in GDP. They also may enable distraction, waste, reclusiveness and impulsiveness in ways we'd like to avoid as a society. At the same time they might also help some people feel more included and less lonely or trapped by circumstance.

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// currently it feels like the same hype as crypto I keep seeing this take and it doesn't make any sense to me. Some tech has obvious utility and some doesn't. For example, I knew internet (web, email) were valuable when I discovered them because accessing information and communicating with people were already things I did - the internet unequivocally made them faster and easier and often cheaper. chatGPT / bard gave…

Bitcoins user experience has taken time to evolve for the better. The real draw is that it’s immutable decentralized money with a predictable print schedule. When it reaches user experience parity with the dollar then it comes down to the true fundamentals of the currency and I suspect that bitcoin wins out.

Like I said I get that, buy that's very different than being able to go to someone and say "this makes your life better in an obvious way" which is the point I am making, in contrast to internet and chat GPT.

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The missing productivity paradox is something that should interest everyone in tech! Like any macroeconomic observation, there is plenty of uncertainty in both the measurements (GDP ain't perfect) and the context (2 financial crises and a pandemic). But even pro-status-quo institutions like Brookings agree that Something Is Up. Their 2021 review on the topic is both a decent summary and a good source of further refs…

Another explanation that I find persuasive, put forward by Ezra Klein, is that productivity-sapping uses of technology grew along with the productivity-boosting ones: social media, for example, is a powerful mechanism for distracting people and destroying their attention spans. If this is a good explanation, it begs the question of what AI might do to destroy productivity as well. If you’re constantly sexting with yo…

> put forward by Ezra Klein

The explanation sounds pretty familiar, so I might have already read/heard this from Klein, but would you mind sharing a link?

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Definitely. The tech is impressive but anyone I've spoken to thinks of it as Cleverbot 2.0, and among the more technically minded I've found that people mostly are indifferent. Hell, IRL most people I know don't think much of it, though on HN and elsewhere online I see a lot of people praising it as the next coming of Christ (this thread included) which puts it in a similar tier as crypto and other Web3 hypetrains as…

Yeah, the people who know the most about AI are also the people who are least impressed with its capabilities.

It's supposed to be the other way around.

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