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Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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As a Mac user with the same gripe of the ctrl key placement: Remapping it to the caps lock works wonders :)

I use so many keyboards, not all of which are under my control.. I wish I could, but it would bring chaos to my typing world.

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Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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1. S3 Standby/suspend support. If your laptop supports that, you can close the lid and it will power ~everything except the RAM down (sometimes a USB port still charges). In 'new' laptops, including almost everything Tiger lake and Intel, S3 is being phased out for Microsoft's "Modern Standby", known as S0ix (or sometimes InstantGo). This is much more like a mobile phone, where it stays on but attempts to use as litt…

I used to put my Windows 10 laptop in my bag at night, but every now and then I'd realise later that it had powered itself on, the fans were going nuts, and it was obvious really, really hot! I don't think it was actually installing updates (I use Enterprise eds), though I've no idea what it was doing. I've since started leaving it plugged in on my desk, and haven't noticed it turning itself on at all since then. Wei…

Check your wakeup settings. I've have to use corporate Windows machine and for some reason they're all setup to wake up on some wifi/ethernet signal.

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> if I'm missing on any new developments since 2015 Yes, you missed something huge. Apple Silicon M1 or nothing. It's just too good. Low power consumption allows the laptop to actually be used as a laptop. The power use-to-performance ratio is unmatched by anything on the market. Apple is breaking us free from decades of stagnation on the hardware front. Nothing else on the market comes close. I expect this to change…

I've been hoping to see a RiscV laptop for Linux, equivalent to the M1 Mac, but not seeing anything on the horizon.

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Always fun threads, thanks for posting! I've learned a bunch. Truth be had, I'm still loving my 2013 MacBook pro. It's bulky and the battery's not what it used to be, but it's fast and the keyboard is great but after 8 years of hard use, a couple keys are wonky. I'll probably pick up whatever Apple announces on Monday. I've really want to like the XPS series, but I've bought and returned 3 of them in the past several…

> It's bulky and the battery's not what it used to be, but it's fast and the keyboard is great but after 8 years of hard use, a couple keys are wonky.

I think the 2013 model's entered Apple's vintage list [1], but if you can find an Apple Store willing to do battery service for it, the battery replacement comes with a full keyboard and trackpad replacement for $199 USD [2].

Hurry, though, because the 2013 model's likely to enter the obsolete list next year.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

[2] https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service

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If the M1X 16" keeps the battery size of the current model, which is the largest possible battery you can take on an airplane, it will run a bit shorter than the M1 Air at full throttle (but get more done in that time), but significantly longer than the M1 Air for casual use, because it's presumably using the exact same efficiency cores.

Depends on what they do with GPU. If they put in desktop-class(-ish) graphics, then that would impact battery life heavily (and make me super happy OTOH).

You're actually right.

MacBook Air M1: 49.9Wh | MacBook Pro 16" 2019: 100Wh

The 16" MacBook Pro is rumored to have double the performance CPU cores, and either double or 4x the GPU cores. So for tasks that are strictly GPU bound, battery life could be about half of the M1 Air.

Considering that this is the absolute worst case scenario battery life (assuming of course that they don't make the battery smaller), the new 16" Pro is looking pretty exciting.

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> and if Visual Studio ran on Mac I'd probably switch my PC out also Not sure if it supports all the features you need, but it exists. https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/

That’s just a rebranded Xamarin IDE - but for .NET development on Mac, I’ve found JetBrains Rider does most of what the full Visual Studio package does

I like Rider better even on Windows. My favorite thing about Visual Studio on Windows was always the debugger, and I think Clion and Rider have lapped them there in the past two years.

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Hibernate is a tricky term that doesn't mean the same thing to all people. The working definition I use is all state is dumped from memory to disk and then retrieved upon startup. Sadly Hibernate is very complicated and has largely been deprecated from both Windows and Linux in favor of Sleep. Since Hibernate is gone, let's take it off the list. Sleep (S3) has been largely removed from these laptops in favor of a "lo…

I remember it worked normally back at the end of 1990s with my first laptops, just close the lid, open and everything is back up instantly, no heating at all.

Hibernate eventually began posing trouble for a few reasons. Firstly, as memory sizes increased, the time to hibernate became longer as you had to entirely serialize memory to disk.

Secondly, the number and types of peripherals were tricky to reconstitute and grab the state of, and this made working with the OS tricky. It would be possible that an application might be in the middle of an operation with a device that was no longer present, for example.

Sleep was easier, and yes, it "just worked".

It feels as though laptops are less functional now than they used to be because of stuff like this!

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0. Linux compatibility, I am not super picky about getting everything to work perfectly but I should be able to trust that the software I prefer to use will run and my laptop will connect to wifi and play audio properly and so on. 1. IPS screen (mostly a given nowadays, but this wasn't always so) 2. Trackpoint, I hate trackpads. Pretty rare option so I could possibly be convinced otherwise if the trackpad is particul…

ApparentlyApparently 3rd party manufacturers are looking at building keyboards with trackpoint for the Framework laptops.

Have you ever used a trackpoint-style pointing device from anyone other than IBM or Lenovo and had it be any good?

I think the current Lenovo trackpoints aren't as good as the IBM devices used to be in the late 1990s. I assume they were sacrificed on the same altar as the keyboards.

But the ones I've used from Dell, Toshiba and HP were so aggressively terrible I'd rather just carry around an external mouse.

So I like the idea of a framework with a trackpoint-style pointer, but I am afraid it's likely to be awful.

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Just because some sliver (OK, large sliver) of their consumer base is satisfied with this shit doesn't mean that they didn't live a sizeable amount of people stranded for both hardware and software options. Because they did. I used to be able to slam an MBP down on the woodworking table, open it up and start typing. Now there is no slamming, because they flimsy. No typing near dust, because they get stuck in the keyb…

Flimsy? MacBooks? Are we in different universes? Keyboard is/was a valid concern. But flimsy, I’m not seeing. Pretty sure I could murder someone with my M1 MacBook Air, clean it, and then write code.

Macbooks are easily the flimsiest devices I own if not for the display alone. I've dropped a Thinkpad out of a moving vehicle, and it booted up like nothing happened. My Macbook tumbled 2 feet onto a concrete floor and now the $600 topcase is destroyed...
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