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Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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Back to the Altavista days of +search +must +include +plus +signs +"and quotation marks" Seriously, the problem is advanced users get unexpected results with the query expansion and refinement layers they've added on. While dropping obscure words is helpful when grandpa has misformed queries, it's maddening for a technical user looking for a very specific, infrequent keyword. However for grandpa, it's probably a bett…

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Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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This may be true when you are searching for blog posts or articles, but when searching for code examples, I find that usually Google gives the best results. Also I have noticed that over time, these results have been getting more accurate. this maybe either due to the fact that the number of "code blogs" may have increased, or that Google's search tech maybe getting better. Personally I'm inclined to believe the former.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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I've used google since it was google.stanford.edu, and it's clear to me the results have suffered. My feeling is that two of the problems are SEO and feedback effects of google's own popularity. SEO: When you cut through all the BS, the entire goal here is to make a less good match come first. And it works (sorta). Just consider crap sites like Experts Exchange that we've only learned about because they pollute many…

The results from Experts Exchange are typically useful, but you have to scroll all the way down past the ads and other crap to see the actual answers.

Never.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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I've used google since it was google.stanford.edu, and it's clear to me the results have suffered. My feeling is that two of the problems are SEO and feedback effects of google's own popularity. SEO: When you cut through all the BS, the entire goal here is to make a less good match come first. And it works (sorta). Just consider crap sites like Experts Exchange that we've only learned about because they pollute many…

The results from Experts Exchange are typically useful, but you have to scroll all the way down past the ads and other crap to see the actual answers.

Last time I checked, EE was hiding all actual answers to visitors. It doesn't really qualify as a useful link, then.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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The results from Experts Exchange are typically useful, but you have to scroll all the way down past the ads and other crap to see the actual answers.

Last time I checked, EE was hiding all actual answers to visitors. It doesn't really qualify as a useful link, then.

They hide the answers to visitors who weren't referred by Google. As long as referrer=google.com, they'll give you the answer.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The results from Experts Exchange are typically useful, but you have to scroll all the way down past the ads and other crap to see the actual answers.

Last time I checked, EE was hiding all actual answers to visitors. It doesn't really qualify as a useful link, then.

If you come to the page with a google search result referral, the answers are all at the bottom of the page. This is called first click free: http://www.google.com/support/news_pub/bin/answer.py?answer=...

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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I've used google since it was google.stanford.edu, and it's clear to me the results have suffered. My feeling is that two of the problems are SEO and feedback effects of google's own popularity. SEO: When you cut through all the BS, the entire goal here is to make a less good match come first. And it works (sorta). Just consider crap sites like Experts Exchange that we've only learned about because they pollute many…

I'm not quite sure what exactly it is you would want from them. http://www.google.com/search?q=mashed+potatos has a list of recipes for the query. Seems like exactly what you would respond to the question "What do you know about mashed potatos?" If I changes it to "mashed potatoes" like suggested, I get the rest of the results you mentioned. Again, this is exactly the kind of stuff you wanted.

Now, if you want something "quirky", why are you searching for a generic term? What kind of "useful" result do you want from a search on mashed potatoes? If you give them a crappy search query, they should be giving you as generic of results as possible.

One thing I've found is that if you are looking for something specific, don't search for something generic. If you wanted something "quirky", why didn't you do "mashed potatoes quirky"? Then you get a restaurant that features mashed potatoes heavily in their recipes, a carmelized onion mashed potato recipe, a mashed potatoes festival, several more "interesting" recipes, and a book called "Grinning in His Mashed Potatoes".

It sounds to me like the results have improved, not gotten worse, if you aren't getting a poem about mashed potatoes on the first page of search results for just "mashed potatoes".

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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Yes. One thing I noticed is that searches no longer require that all words in the query be present in the search results. Adding a + before a word is now required to ensure that it's present in results. That frequently results in me having to do 2-3 searches to find something that could previously be found with one.

Since I started using more advanced search features regularly I have gotten significantly better results. Things like +"my search term", -free, -download, -cracked tend to heavily limit the spamming of results, and if I want something specific using tricks like inurl:keyword and site:siteToSearch tend to make what I want just jump out on the first page.
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