I started my first company while employed as a project manager at a web design shop. I started a (smaller) web design shop. While employed, I spent some evenings and weekends trying to find clients. I quit my job when I got my first paying client. The company I started isn't around anymore -- but here I am 18 years later still happily self-employed and doing well. So I'd say it was a success. Edit: Last month I gave…
I like the concept of telling personal stories instead of advices. Thank you! (Great talk, and nice dash of humour) And I also like the "advice" of being prolific, rather to "focus" like we hear often on Hacker News. What has worked for me in the past (here comes a story, not an advice) is trying many personal projects until I found one that worked on many aspects (financial / personal lifestyle choices / meaning / e…
Ask HN: Did you start a company whilst employed?
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#62I now have 2 other partners and an employee and the business pays all of our bills.
Working while having a startup can work, but it will be hell on your social life (and family life).
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#63So, so excited to go full time! But once I do... I promised my spouse (and myself) revenue in six months, so I don't think life is going to get any easier or less stressful. On the other hand, I'll be doing what I feel like I should be doing. After 20 years of corporate life, I'll finally take full control of my fate.
The kind of company? It's a product for diffing system configurations, across security boundaries and along the entire timeline of the system. Think CMDB for the rest of us - easy to implement, affordable, and creating immediate daily value by reducing debugging times and cross-organization friction. This is a nontrivial thing to implement, though...
How did my employer take it? They're sad to lose me, of course, but a lot of people are envious as well. Maybe they can envy my cold sweats too.
Many people have observed that the only emotions founders get are elation and terror. Once I committed to it, though, I started feeling them both at the same time. I don't think that's going to change, not for a while.
As for advice... the only good advice I have is figure out your runway. How long can you go without getting paid? And what's your fallback plan? Get your business plan roughly laid out so you know what you intend to do, and what you'll do if it isn't working. And if you're married, do your best to make it work with your spouse.
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#64Re the employer's possible ownership of the employee's idea: A few years ao I posted an annotated flow chart explaining how (U.S.) law works in this regard -- see http://www.oncontracts.com/docs/Who-owns-an-employee-inventi...
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> switched from PHP/Kohana to Python/Django Would you mind if I ask why you switched? BTW, nice design on your home page.
Thanks. Kohana was slowly dying at the time and the development had almost stopped (currently the framework is completely dead). But really I just wanted to try a new stack and Django looked promising. Also had prior Python experience. In the next project [0] we went from Python/Django to Scala/Play :) [0] - http://datazenit.com/
Good luck with both!
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#66- my "day job”: i’m a manager at a medical device company (run training department along with driving self-guided data mining projects that improve training & engineering efficiency)
- tech startups: i do biz dev and provide data science guidance as a co-founder for two tech startups (one is an offshoot of a school project, one is a social monitoring service specifically aimed at the utilities sector)
- non-tech startup: i also have a product i’m in the process of bringing to market that will make the men’s necktie a much more useful item. a little random? yes. it’s one of those ideas that just happened to come along and so far i’ve been able to [successfully] run with it!
- part time MBA: i also am working towards an MBA on a part-time basis in NYC. i’ve been able to adjust my specializations so they’re “tech focused” and I’ve met some really awesome people in the data science/startup community in NYC as a result.
how is it possible to do all of this? they key [for me] has been alignment. i began by finding issues at my 9-5 that both captured my attention AND presented the opportunity to be spun off into separate projects (if i played my cards right and made sure there wouldn’t be IP issues down the road). i then started aligning my 9-5 projects with my school related projects, thus turning work into school and vise-versa. a year and a half later i’m heavily involved with many ventures that i thoroughly enjoy, and while i put in a lot of time and effort each day, it’s work that i enjoy so burnout hasn’t been a concern (so far).
i wrote a motivational piece about how juggle everything and stay sane on my non-tech startup’s website: http://www.takeiteasythursday.com/liox/2014/5/2/3-startups-o...
if you have any q’s you can reach me via the contact page on the website! best of luck!
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#67Re the employer's possible ownership of the employee's idea: A few years ao I posted an annotated flow chart explaining how (U.S.) law works in this regard -- see http://www.oncontracts.com/docs/Who-owns-an-employee-inventi...
What does "invention" here mean? Is it limited to things that meet patentability criteria? If so, is there a chart for other types of intellectual property like copyrights (most applicable to software, and hardware too), trademarks, etc.
California for example has specific clauses about ownership of inventions, with no clarification on what "invention" means.
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#68As it appears to be the case with most people here, I did the same thing - started while still employed. I started a cloud and security solutions company that mostly targets the government market, but also commercial to a degree. My employer was supportive. The government market is a little different, though, so if you work for a large company they sometimes see you as an opportunity to work on contracts that are tar…
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#69I started my first company while employed as a project manager at a web design shop. I started a (smaller) web design shop. While employed, I spent some evenings and weekends trying to find clients. I quit my job when I got my first paying client. The company I started isn't around anymore -- but here I am 18 years later still happily self-employed and doing well. So I'd say it was a success. Edit: Last month I gave…
That was a nice talk. Why am I getting the Jobs stanford speech vibe in your talk.
That said, great talk, found it pretty inspirational as a jaded 30 year old, so doubtless those kids would have taken away some of your 'stories' and filed them under advice!
pud, you mentioned having been bought out a few times. Did you not have to stick around 'under new management' at any of the places?
Re: Ask HN: Did you start a company whilst employed?
#70Re the employer's possible ownership of the employee's idea: A few years ao I posted an annotated flow chart explaining how (U.S.) law works in this regard -- see http://www.oncontracts.com/docs/Who-owns-an-employee-inventi...
A question that I have also posed to lawyers, but never heard a clear answer: What does "invention" here mean? Is it limited to things that meet patentability criteria? If so, is there a chart for other types of intellectual property like copyrights (most applicable to software, and hardware too), trademarks, etc. California for example has specific clauses about ownership of inventions, with no clarification on what…
I can't think of a case citation offhand, but my guess is that most (U.S.) judges would apply essentially the same principles to unpatentable "inventions" -- defined in 35 USC 101 as any "process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, ... [or] improvement thereof" [1] --- that qualified as confidential information of the employer.
(If an invention is unpatentable AND is public information, then normally it's fair game for anyone to use, at least in the U.S. --- EXCEPT that that (A) an employee has an implied duty not to compete with his employer while still employed there, and (B) the employee might be bound by a contractual covenant not to compete for a limited time after leaving employment, which might or might not be enforceable depending on the jurisdiction [California being a well-known case in point].)
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> is there a chart for other types of intellectual property like copyrights (most applicable to software, and hardware too)
I can't think of how copyright might apply to hardware, at least not to functional aspects of it. I suppose that aesthetic-design features of hardware might qualify as a "sculpture," which under 17 USC 102 (a)(5) would be eligible for copyright protection [2] But under 17 USC 102(b), that protection wouldn't cover functional aspects: "In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work." [2]
As to software, that depends on (A) whether the software counts as a "work made for hire," which in this context means that it was created by an employee within the scope of employment [3], and (B) if not, whether the employee signed an agreement giving the employer rights to the copyrighted work. [4]
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> ... trademarks, etc.
In the U.S., trademark rights arise from use of the mark in providing goods or services. (You can file an application to register a mark in the USPTO based on a bona fide intent to use the mark "in commerce that may lawfully be regulated by Congress," but the registration won't be issued unless and until the applicant shows that he / she /it has actually begun using the mark in Congress.)
That's not to say that an employer might not try to claim that a confidential idea for a particularly-good trademark belonged to the employer, e.g., because the employee who came up with the idea was working on a company project when she did so.
[1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/35/101
[2] http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/102
[3] http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf (scroll down to "Agency Law")