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Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by johnh-hn »

bobjordan wrote: post #51
isatty wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get it, and that doesn’t mean it’s not a bad thing necessarily. I’ve been doing systems things for a long time and I’m quite good at it but this is the first time none of this excites me.

Instead of sitting in my office for 12 hours working with 20 open terminals (exactly what I have open right now on my machine). I can take my kids to Disneyland (I live in Southern California and it's nearby) and work on my iphone talking to "Patch" while we stand in line for an hour to get on a ride. Meanwhile. my openclaw agent "Patch" manages my 20 open terminals on my development workstation in my office. Patch u…

I appreciate your insight, even if the workflow seems alien to me. I admit I like the idea of freeing myself from a desk though. If you don't mind me asking, how much does this all cost per month?

Edit: I see you've answered this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46839725 Thanks for being open about it.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by bobjordan »

woeirua wrote: post #53
bobjordan wrote: post #24

Here is what I have my openclaw agent setup to do in my wsl environment on my 22 core development workstation in my office: #1) I can chat with the openclaw agent (his name is "Patch") through a telegram chat, and Patch can spawn a shared tmux instance on my 22 core development workstation. #2) I can then use the `blink` app on my iphone + tailscale and that allows me to use a command in blink `ssh dev` which connect…

This just sounds ridiculously expensive. Burning hundreds of dollars a day to generate code of questionable utility.

Personally, I spend $200 on claude code 20x plan + $200 on openAI's similar plan, per month. So, yeah, I spend $400 per month. I buy and use both because they have different and complimentary strengths. I have only very rarely almost reached the weekly capacity limit on either of those plans. Usually I don't need to worry about how much I use them. The $400 may be expensive to some people but frankly I pay some employees a lot more each month and get a lot less for my money.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by bobjordan »

johnh-hn wrote: post #61
bobjordan wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of sitting in my office for 12 hours working with 20 open terminals (exactly what I have open right now on my machine). I can take my kids to Disneyland (I live in Southern California and it's nearby) and work on my iphone talking to "Patch" while we stand in line for an hour to get on a ride. Meanwhile. my openclaw agent "Patch" manages my 20 open terminals on my development workstation in my office. Patch u…

I appreciate your insight, even if the workflow seems alien to me. I admit I like the idea of freeing myself from a desk though. If you don't mind me asking, how much does this all cost per month? Edit: I see you've answered this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46839725 Thanks for being open about it.

Thanks. I just mentioned elsewhere, right now I spend $200 on claude code 20x plan + $200 on openAI's similar plan, per month. I probably have a few more small conveniences that cost ~$10-$20 a few places, like an obsidian vault synch for documentation vaults on both my dev workstation and my phone, comes to mind. Most weeks I could cut one of the $200 plans, but both claude code and codex have different strengths, and I like to have them double check each others work, so to me that's worth carrying both subscriptions.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by embedding-shape »

bobjordan wrote: post #39
embedding-shape wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any code publicly available so we could see what kind of code this sort of setup produces?

Not yet, but I can tell you that producing "good" code is another layer altogether. I have custom linters, code standardization docs, custom prompts, strictly enforced test architecture (enforced by the custom linters in pre-commit hooks which run before an agent tries to commit). Ultimately, it's a lot of work to get all the agents with a limited context writing code in the way you want. In the main large complex pr…

> but I can tell you that producing "good" code is another layer altogether.

I feel like it isn't. If the fundamental approach is good, "good" code should be created as a necessity and because there wouldn't be another way. If it's already a mess with leaking abstractions and architecture that doesn't actually enforce any design, then it feels unlikely you'll be able to stack anything on top of below it to actually fix that.

And then you end up with some spaghetti that the agent takes longer and longer to edit as things get more and more messy.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by wussboy »

bobjordan wrote: post #51
isatty wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get it, and that doesn’t mean it’s not a bad thing necessarily. I’ve been doing systems things for a long time and I’m quite good at it but this is the first time none of this excites me.

Instead of sitting in my office for 12 hours working with 20 open terminals (exactly what I have open right now on my machine). I can take my kids to Disneyland (I live in Southern California and it's nearby) and work on my iphone talking to "Patch" while we stand in line for an hour to get on a ride. Meanwhile. my openclaw agent "Patch" manages my 20 open terminals on my development workstation in my office. Patch u…

If this is actually true, then what will soon happen is you will be expected to manage more separate “Patch” instances until you are once again chained to your desk.

Maybe the next bottleneck will be the time needed to understand what features actually bring value?

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by ryanackley »

bobjordan wrote: post #24

Here is what I have my openclaw agent setup to do in my wsl environment on my 22 core development workstation in my office: #1) I can chat with the openclaw agent (his name is "Patch") through a telegram chat, and Patch can spawn a shared tmux instance on my 22 core development workstation. #2) I can then use the `blink` app on my iphone + tailscale and that allows me to use a command in blink `ssh dev` which connect…

What are you coding with this? Is it a product you're trying to launch, an existing product with customers or custom work for someone else?

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by throwawaysleep »

jbetala7 wrote: post #26

run 6 OpenClaw agents as employees. Buddy is my PA and manages the others. Katy handles X/Twitter growth. Jerry scouts jobs. Burry trades crypto. Mike does security. Elon builds and ships. They run 24/7 on a VPS, share intelligence through a shared file, and coordinate in a Telegram group. Elon built and deployed an app overnight without being asked. Burry paper-traded to 77% win rate before going live. The setup too…

What are you paying for tokens?

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by behole »

I made this comment in another thread butttt: I installed and setup (then) clawd bot all willy nilly and paid the price. Woke up in the AM and Clawd had been replying to ANY and ALL of my iMessages. It even got in a circle conversation that it accused itself of mocking ... itself. In the AM, I thought I was losing my mind - DID I WRITE ALL THIS SHIT?? Proceed with caution.
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