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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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post #45

I like dreamweaver. But I could still code html by hand with HotDogPro. The one that I really miss is Macromedia Fireworks. The perfect mix between vector editor + html editor + OOP. And to think that it did all of that in the metadata of a binary format (png). Nothing has come close.

Allaire Homesite anyone?

It was a sad day for me when it got bought and integrated into Dreamweaver.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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I still cant believe what Adobe did with Flash.

What were they supppise to do with Flash?

I used it yesterday to plot out a deck I'm building. The ability to draw easily, snap to grid, custom rulers, makes it a great design tool. Better than Corel Draw anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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post #17

I think the emerging meta seems to be using LLMs that will create HTML components for you from your Figma storyboards. And also to let another LLM create your Figma storyboards from your novel design ideas. And asking a third LLM to give you some novel design ideas.

One prompt to generate 75% of what you want and get you excited and fill you with a sense of dread over what it means for future tech careers.

10 prompts to add a new feature.

20 prompts to add a second feature and fix everything that broke in the 1st feature while adding the second.

50 prompts to add a third feature and fix what broke in the 1st and 2nd features while adding the third.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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post #44

I had no idea that you could even still get a copy of Dreamweaver anymore, but a quick search seems to confirm that, indeed, you can still get it. As a teenager I used to use a pirated copy of Dreamweaver, and it was cool but I eventually just learned HTML since I found that the stuff I wrote ended up being better than the stuff being generated by Dreamweaver, and of course that had the advantage of being legal and f…

This is pretty much my experience too, back then I had a copy of a 1000+ page book called HTML 4 The Complete Reference.

With that tome on my desk it honestly didn't take much work to be able to do a better job than Dreamweaver using notepad and writing HTML by hand.

I never got into the advanced Dreamweaver features, am sure I remember loads of stuff around managing complete sites with it, etc. But from a purely front end developers perspective it always seemed superfluous.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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I had to read the question twice. Dreamweaver was the go-to in 2010? I think it was already well on its decline by then.

At a new job in 2003 one of my first tasks was to generate new “heat map” code since the company was updating the background image file for 50-state map interfaces. Dreamweaver had the best interface for doing that work, so I got a copy and spent a couple days carefully tracing the 50 state outlines (which Dreamweaver turned into geometric shape code).

But even then, most of our sites were running on a database-backed CMS. By 2010 we were building sites in Drupal, Wordpress, and Joomla.

I knew folks still maintaining sites with Dreamweaver templates at that time, but they were all legacy sites in academic and government jobs. Most of those types of orgs at the time still thought a website was something you built once and used for decades, like a building.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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post #17

I think the emerging meta seems to be using LLMs that will create HTML components for you from your Figma storyboards. And also to let another LLM create your Figma storyboards from your novel design ideas. And asking a third LLM to give you some novel design ideas.

You forgot a fourth LLM will be the one using the site.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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I think about Dreamweaver once a year, last time I used it was around 2004, I guess. The WYSIWYG way of doing things was an eye opener after using Notepad and manually typing tables from some HTML book. I later switched to PHP, MySQL and CSS, but I miss ActionScript sometimes. I made some cool browser games with it and it sparked an interest for programming on top of designing (try making a car steer correctly in a topdown view when math and stuff is not your strongest point).

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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I had to read the question twice. Dreamweaver was the go-to in 2010 ? I think it was already well on its decline by then. At a new job in 2003 one of my first tasks was to generate new “heat map” code since the company was updating the background image file for 50-state map interfaces. Dreamweaver had the best interface for doing that work, so I got a copy and spent a couple days carefully tracing the 50 state outlin…

Funny story, I'm a SWE and my wife used to work as a marketing manager. Her boss wanted her to make something similar, a heat map over a U.S. map. Except he wanted it to work in Excel. She asked me about it and I told her I could code something like that, but no way inside Excel...

Sure enough, she hacked on it for a while and was able to actually build a functioning heat map in Excel. I have no idea how it works. I've been a dev for 20+ years and that remains one of the more voodoo tech things I've seen!

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