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Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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Occasionally throw in a surprising ending.

A friend infrequently would end lackluster stories, those where he'd lost the conversational baton, with "...and then I found $20."

Anyone who had never heard the trick immediately perked up and refocused their attention on him. He'd say, "No, not really" then briefly contribute something more to the conversation before yielding.

Everyone who knew the trick knew to wait for the ending, because one could never assume his story endings anymore.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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People don't want their attention commanded. They want other people's attention. If you want people to care about what you say, say things they care about...say things that show you care about what they have to say. Because if what comes out of your mouth suggests you were just waiting for an opening to talk about yourself, people will tune out...unless of course they give you what you want. Be fun to talk to. The mo…

The first line was also my thought when seeing this question. Sounds like aiming to be manipulative? But then I guess the post's contents are rather asking how to have an actual conversation with anyone, including your life partner! Which seems so weird that I doubt we can play therapist over the internet to a useful enough degree and the better solution is to ask $wife (and the friends OP is talking about in 1:1 pri…

The language of the OP suggests how they think about conversational mechanisms and their understanding of other people in the context of casual conversation.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#63
I suffer the same. I have suspected, for years, that in my case it's several factors.

1. I'm a small person, and in America, I've observed, or think I have, that there's a daddy culture here and a lot of people respect size more than content. This may simply be frustrated cynicism though. But I sincerely think I might be a dumb looking person too.

2. I've a weak voice and it doesn't carry well.

3. To some degree, it is a choice of company. That might be difficult to consider in some cases, eg the wife, but I don't bother with people who don't listen, unless it's necessary. I try to be very accommodating to others when they communicate.

4. To some extent it's not you. Low attention spans are becoming more and more pervasive. Social elegance isn't much in style right now. Also, with a culture of sensory or information overload, many people are generally aloof.

5. Try to eliminate discourse particles. Unfortunately this might compound the problem in circles where "like" is used as punctuation, adjectives, verbs, nouns and pretty much as a monosyllable language consisting of tonal variations. But at least you can keep your dignity while they squeak back and forth with their one word.

6. Timing. As a product of cold, callous patience.

Edit: Another possibly worthy consideration is gestures, primarily but not exclusively, I imagine, with the hands. Think magician, or conductor. Many people are becoming more visual. Some may even require certain visual stimulation to function. And maybe there could be some strange subconscious threat factors in the background, promoting increased alertness. And if that fails, you'll be well warmed up in the event you must resort to violence.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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People don't want their attention commanded. They want other people's attention. If you want people to care about what you say, say things they care about...say things that show you care about what they have to say. Because if what comes out of your mouth suggests you were just waiting for an opening to talk about yourself, people will tune out...unless of course they give you what you want. Be fun to talk to. The mo…

Agreed. I am rarely tracking my what I am saying vs other people. I also focus on paying attention to what people are saying and trying to engage and ask good questions. I rarely volunteer my own stories / thoughts unless they are directly asked for or I have a very strong sense that people want to hear it.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#65
People really listen only in 2 major cases

1. When it is about them (nobody really cares about you voice or body language), when there is something valuable or a solid promise of value in your words. Personally for them. (For example when they asked you a question they really need an answer to).

2. … hmmm no, sorry I can’t think of anything else.

Therefore to really solve your problem - focus on the meaning, not on the surface level crap like faking your voice to sound this and that (ive been there, waste of time).

Meaning == why exactly and what message exactly do you want to be heard? Why is this important for you? In general and in particular situations.

If you don’t have solid answers for yourself - its only natural that nobody else cares of what you say.

If you dont have natural artistic abilities - you can of course develop them to some degree, but again without real meaning and value behind your words - it’s gonna be weak.

Maybe your natural way of communication is to be a silent type, who doesn’t waste words, but makes each one spoken valuable.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#66
Here's my survivorship anectdote. I have 5 younger brothers with anxiety disorders ADHD etc, and no sisters.

I have no idea what specific things I do to be heard, but I almost have the opposite problem. People listen to me when they really shouldn't.

Being in the environment I was in as a kid forged me into this unignorable person, because if I ever wanted to be heard in my family it was a fight to the death. My default talking stance is apparently really aggressive and commanding.

Yes it was LOUD in my house all the time, yes my poor mother, yes I still have issues to work through.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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People really listen only in 2 major cases 1. When it is about them (nobody really cares about you voice or body language), when there is something valuable or a solid promise of value in your words. Personally for them. (For example when they asked you a question they really need an answer to). 2. … hmmm no, sorry I can’t think of anything else. Therefore to really solve your problem - focus on the meaning, not on t…

I don’t think this is the whole picture.

Humans do pay attention to captivating stories that are not about them. But of course there’s gotta be something in that story they can relate to.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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People really listen only in 2 major cases 1. When it is about them (nobody really cares about you voice or body language), when there is something valuable or a solid promise of value in your words. Personally for them. (For example when they asked you a question they really need an answer to). 2. … hmmm no, sorry I can’t think of anything else. Therefore to really solve your problem - focus on the meaning, not on t…

I don’t think this is the whole picture. Humans do pay attention to captivating stories that are not about them. But of course there’s gotta be something in that story they can relate to.

that only proves my point - stories are a source of either wisdom or entertainment, both of which is a form of personal (and only personal) profit of the specific listener
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