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Re: Ask HN: Why does ChatGPT love the word "eager" so much?

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Post by Terretta »

knodi123 wrote: post #45
sandworm101 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> like a highschool student trying to inflate their word count on an essay. So the chameleon is a bad chameleon because it looks too much like a leaf, too much like the thing it is attempting to imitate? A few years ago I was tasked with editing the performance reviews for my unit (military). Every supervisor had a finite number of characters in which to describe each soldier's performance. I went through and remove…

I'm glad you asked about chameleons! Determining whether a chameleon is good or bad can be very important for lizard rankings. As everyone knows, a chameleon is able to camouflage to look more like a leaf. This can help protect it from predators! But sometimes looking like a leaf can go too far.... [and so on]. I hooked ChatGPT up to a speech recognizer and far field mics etc, trying to build my own alexa, and I had…

Your example showed it that by "terse" you meant explain the same thing three different ways.

;-)

Re: Ask HN: Why does ChatGPT love the word "eager" so much?

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Post by JohnMakin »

knodi123 wrote: post #48
JohnMakin wrote: post #43

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ChatGPT doesn’t think

Prove to my satisfaction that you think. ;-)

I think that comments like this with emoticons are vague in intention and difficult to reply to especially given parent context - but basically, I think because I am thinking. No proof exists within the LLM flavor of AI products that they do any form of thinking as we understand it, because we haven’t even defined what thinking is. Charlatans tend to use vague definitions to advance whatever agenda they have, and when a subject is already poorly understood, it is prone to wild, unsubstantiated (and prone to misinterpretation) claims.

Whatever you want to make of AI’s emergent abilities or whatever dumb AI meaningless buzzwords are the trend right now, you have to first prove to me you know how I think before I will accept your claim AI knows how to and as far as I’m aware that’s still an open question.

Hope that explains my viewpoint.

Re: Ask HN: Why does ChatGPT love the word "eager" so much?

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Post by JohnMakin »

JohnMakin wrote: post #62
knodi123 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prove to my satisfaction that you think. ;-)

I think that comments like this with emoticons are vague in intention and difficult to reply to especially given parent context - but basically, I think because I am thinking. No proof exists within the LLM flavor of AI products that they do any form of thinking as we understand it, because we haven’t even defined what thinking is. Charlatans tend to use vague definitions to advance whatever agenda they have, and whe…

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Therefore_I_Am:_The_Tale_of...

Only old heads will know this but this is a Star wars old canon short story from a collection of short stories that explores the topic of what consciousness and thoughts mean and in the context of a malevolent AI.

“I think, therefore I am.”

However, “think” is a bit ouroboric in definition and the reason this is an interesting question.

Re: Ask HN: Why does ChatGPT love the word "eager" so much?

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

agubelu wrote: post #5

Another giveaway of GPT content for me are overusing importance adjectives like "crucial" or "essential", and of course an extreme overuse of enumerations.

I often find that it's easy for me to explain things in enumeration. I'm wondering if a) there is a latent middle manager living inside me, always shuffling his little powerpoint decks, or b) there is a little LM living inside me, making me compulsively enumerate things.

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

> Lastly, I learned that children in Portugal have started to speak the Brazilian variant of Portuguese, as videos from there are flooding the Internet. It is interesting how technology affects our lives in more surprising areas.

As a non-native speaker of English, I speak and write some weird mix of British and US English, and I always keep forgetting how strong the words "bugger" and "cunt" are in each context. Here's globalization for you.

Re: Ask HN: Why does ChatGPT love the word "eager" so much?

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Post by knodi123 »

JohnMakin wrote: post #62
knodi123 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prove to my satisfaction that you think. ;-)

I think that comments like this with emoticons are vague in intention and difficult to reply to especially given parent context - but basically, I think because I am thinking. No proof exists within the LLM flavor of AI products that they do any form of thinking as we understand it, because we haven’t even defined what thinking is. Charlatans tend to use vague definitions to advance whatever agenda they have, and whe…

> are vague in intention

Just poking fun at a flaw in your reasoning. You think you are thinking because of your subjective experience. However, you say that something else cannot be thinking, despite the fact that you cannot share its subjective experience- therefore ChatGPT could say the same thing about you.

Re: Ask HN: Why does ChatGPT love the word "eager" so much?

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Post by JohnMakin »

knodi123 wrote: post #66
JohnMakin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that comments like this with emoticons are vague in intention and difficult to reply to especially given parent context - but basically, I think because I am thinking. No proof exists within the LLM flavor of AI products that they do any form of thinking as we understand it, because we haven’t even defined what thinking is. Charlatans tend to use vague definitions to advance whatever agenda they have, and whe…

> are vague in intention Just poking fun at a flaw in your reasoning. You think you are thinking because of your subjective experience. However, you say that something else cannot be thinking, despite the fact that you cannot share its subjective experience- therefore ChatGPT could say the same thing about you.

This is turning into the type of pedantic argument I find exhausting on here and gets into complex philosophy theories of mind, but basically, I believe the flaw in your reasoning is that you are assuming ChatGPT has a subjective experience. To me that's absurd to the point of comedy and I haven't seen any evidence of it, but I'm completely uninterested in debating that.

Re: Ask HN: Why does ChatGPT love the word "eager" so much?

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Post by knodi123 »

JohnMakin wrote: post #67
knodi123 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are vague in intention Just poking fun at a flaw in your reasoning. You think you are thinking because of your subjective experience. However, you say that something else cannot be thinking, despite the fact that you cannot share its subjective experience- therefore ChatGPT could say the same thing about you.

This is turning into the type of pedantic argument I find exhausting on here and gets into complex philosophy theories of mind, but basically, I believe the flaw in your reasoning is that you are assuming ChatGPT has a subjective experience. To me that's absurd to the point of comedy and I haven't seen any evidence of it, but I'm completely uninterested in debating that.

> the flaw in your reasoning is that you are assuming ChatGPT has a subjective experience

No I'm not.

I don't think ChatGPT thinks either. But I can express that claim without making untestable, unscientific, circular claims.

Your explanations of why it can't be conscious have all boiled down to "because it isn't [synonym for conscious]". But you are conscious "because you do [thing synonymous with consciousness]".

I'm not trying to attack you as a person, just poking fun at this all-too-common style of reasoning. I apologize if I offended you by doing that.

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