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Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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My mother passed her driving exam when she was 40. Pay for lessons. Pay attention. Breathe. Stay present. Different things to gain an intuition for: - Getting used to being in the driver's seat. Getting used to where everything is. Especially the turn signals (shoutout to my fellow BMW drivers). - Getting used to acceleration, braking, holding your speed, steering, and turn signals. - Getting used to the size of your…

> Constantly being aware of all moving objects around you. I think this is the biggest one, and it really matters: why is a person learning at 40? Was it random circumstances or have they been avoiding something that seems too challenging? In the latter case, they may have self-selected out of the driving pool for a reason that needs to be addressed carefully. Have they spent 40 years riding in cars and developing si…

If you were born, raised, and now work in NYC there’s no particular reason to learn to drive, and it’s not particularly easy if you’re in a family that doesn’t drive. I’ve been driving since I was 13 (not an NYC native) but go weeks some times without driving in NYC (and the primary reason I drive now is to go to my upstate secret getaway). Doesn’t need to be a major reason, decent urban areas with decent mass transit don’t particularly require individuals to learn to drive.

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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I have a 50–something friend who just completed this (Brooklyn native, never felt the need, felt constrained during Covid, etc). They used a driving instructor, took classes once or twice during the week (normally works from home so was easy to fit into their schedule). Definitely hire a driving instructor. From my friend’s description learning to drive in NYC (specifically Brooklyn) was far more stressful than when…

One additional piece of advice: learn to drive an automatic, most of the vehicles you’ll ever drive will be automatic. But, when you’re comfortable with driving, take the time and make the effort to drive a stick (manual). While you’re unlikely to encounter them often in the US, I’ve frequently gotten stuck with them as rental cars in Europe and Asia. Plus it’s a handy skill if you’re ever on some whacky adventure race.

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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The biggest thing about learning to drive at 40 versus 16 is an appreciation for risk. Insurance companies prove this with numbers and charge accordingly.

First, let's get something out of the way. Not everybody is a good driver. Some people are horrible as teenagers and remain horrible for the rest of their lives because they make bad decisions or simply cannot focus on the road. These drivers will always pose a higher risk to themselves and everybody around them.

For the rest of us our ability to appreciate and respond to risks changes as we get older and this greatly modifies our driving behavior. When I was young I learned to drive fast. This means I got into many accidents in slower speed zones because I was driving too fast for conditions. I had to learn to not do that and take turns more carefully and learn to read the environment and pay attention. Older people will do this almost complete naturally even when they are first time drivers.

The other side of that coin is that I learned to drive at greater than 120mph on the freeway and I got very good at it. That means I could drive fast, test my limits, and still remain safe. Its no different than performance testing software in that you push the limits, measure the results, and learn from mistakes. The only difference between learning to drive extremely fast and performance testing software is that writing software will not kill you or leave you permanently disfigured.

Now I am in my mid 40s. I can still drive extremely fast and be safe, but I don't. Part of that is that I am a bit more risk adverse since I older, but even more to the point is that I have less disposable income to spend on vehicle maintenance and traffic convictions. I suspect if I started learning to drive now, in my mid 40s, that I would never have learned to drive fast like that. My behavior would eliminate the opportunity. Most people also have some forms of motor-cognitive decline as they get older. Fortunately, this has not impacted my ability to drive, even at high speeds.

Some examples of driving fast include being clocked at 135mph in a 45mph zone. Another example is driving around 49 miles across Dallas in 27 minutes. Now, in all fairness that is off the charts extreme risk that almost nobody attempts to evaluate in real time, regardless of age, when it means increased probability of death or prison. The natural ability to abnormally evaluate high risk scenarios without getting nervous allows for learning things that cannot be learned otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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It was true for me that the first year of driving sucks, just keep going, drive as much as you can (every day even if it's a short drive). Not only are all the roads new, the lanes, dealing with car problems, garages and mechanics are all new too. But, you'll get there. Other things, just slow down a bit anytime there is something unusual or risky happening on the road, space gives you time. No matter where you are on a drive, remember you just have to do the same small set of things (look, move, signal, gas, brake etc.) Don't worry about pressure you might feel from other drivers, if they're going too fast behind you, let them over take, keep calm always. Good luck, I'm sure you'll love driving before long and find it opens up a new freedom and responsibility in your life.

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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The biggest thing about learning to drive at 40 versus 16 is an appreciation for risk. Insurance companies prove this with numbers and charge accordingly. First, let's get something out of the way. Not everybody is a good driver. Some people are horrible as teenagers and remain horrible for the rest of their lives because they make bad decisions or simply cannot focus on the road. These drivers will always pose a hig…

I struggle with high speeds where I feel the car is going faster than myself. How do you overcome those feelings at even higher speeds?

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

#66
As others have said, get some lessons. An instructor will really help you to know which of your habits are ones that will help you pass your test and which will cause you to fail (hint: encourage the former and avoid the latter).

Also remember that passing your test is just the first step in learning to drive, once you pass you'll then need to level up. Passing your test shows that you can drive in a way that's safe for other drivers, it doesn't mean that other drivers will drive in a way that's safe for you.

So, once you pass make sure you regularly drive and after a few years you'll find you have a natural instinct. You won't know why but you start doing things like giving some drivers a lot more room than others or slowing down when approaching some junctions even though there's nobody waiting there. When that happens trust your instinct as it's picked up on something that you're not consciously going to notice. That's why people who have recently passed their test are more likely to be in an accident than people who have been driving for longer, it isn't that they're unsafe drivers, it's just that they haven't developed an instinct for driving yet.

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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post #65

The biggest thing about learning to drive at 40 versus 16 is an appreciation for risk. Insurance companies prove this with numbers and charge accordingly. First, let's get something out of the way. Not everybody is a good driver. Some people are horrible as teenagers and remain horrible for the rest of their lives because they make bad decisions or simply cannot focus on the road. These drivers will always pose a hig…

I struggle with high speeds where I feel the car is going faster than myself. How do you overcome those feelings at even higher speeds?

For one thing you need to listen and feel for the vehicle. Most suspension systems are only good up to about 110mph and most tires are only good at 130mph. Exceeding any of this causes excess vibration that you can feel, which becomes unsafe.

Tires are the most important thing because they are your contact with the ground and absorb most of the road noise. If a tire blows out at high speed bad things will happen. Fortunately I have never had a blow out.

Shock can also come from poorly balanced tires and a loose steering column. Everything needs to be tight and well balanced.

When you are driving fast you need to be hyper aware of what’s around you. The biggest risk are other drivers so always provide tremendous amounts of space. Driving fast does not mean driving aggressively. Do not change lanes often to dodge around slower cars. Be aware of upcoming interference to the road, such as construction.

If the experience does not feel safe and you do not feel in control of the vehicle you need to drive less fast. My first fast car was an experimental Mitsubishi Galant with a tight racing suspension. The engine was an unimpressive regular 4L engine, so it did not accelerate fast and maxed out at 135mph. But handled high speeds extremely well such that the suspension was most smooth at 110mph without excessive road noise until over 120mph.

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine. They're trying to kill you, but they also want to frame it as a suicide. Does that cover all bases?

That's too much in the other direction. To protect against that you would just have to wear a seatbelt and not go over certain speed, and not swerve into incoming traffic. If they wanted to suicide you, you would need to go faster to be able to do that without seatbelt and/or intentionally break some sort of laws/rules. I think best to me is to assume other drivers are not paying a lot of attention unless there are o…

Assume they aren't paying attention? So it'd be accurate to say: assume they are trying to kill you.

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

#69

If you can get a pal w a car to get you to a suburb that might help. There will be a learning curve before and after you pass your test. Driving here in NYC is a big challenge, navigating narrow spaces, double parked car and trucks. One thing I learned belatedly on a reddit thread, we always merge at close to the end as we can, at bridges & tunnels. Parallel parking practice will be a big hurdle, try and find a quiet…

Another tip, really get a feel for how an entire car can be in your blind spot, roughly just behind you on the left and right. That is part of the reason for watching your mirrors ~15-20% of the time.

Adjust your mirrors to eliminate the blind spots as much as you can. Not perfect, as modern A-pillars are enormous and severely hurt driver visibility, but you will have much better situational awareness.

Sample description with video: https://glassdoctor.com/blog/adjust-your-car-mirrors-for-max...

Re: Ask HN: 40yo adult learning to drive what is different vs. learning young?

#70
Another good one is learning and being comfortable driving in the rain, snow, and at night time.

like everyone else says, practice is key.

be predictable and take your time. If you have to go slow, that is fine, even if 1 million people are honking at you from behind. In all my years of driving, i've never been rammed off the road for going too slow. That being said, stick to the right side on 2 lane roads because people will get aggressive if you are on the fast lane (left side). If you need to be somewhere that is time sensitive, leave earlier!

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