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Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Welcome to real life. I've had similar thoughts to you but in the context of writing. Many coding tutorials I wrote last year can now be done with GPT-4. The same tutorials that I wrote last year got me a lot of exposure on various sites and directories, but that hasn't been the case since early this year. I imagine it's like this for many people. And, personally, I'm trying not to think/dwell on it, and simply move…

This is what I think as well. I don't know how to prepare for it, though. I'm currently trying to find an "escape hatch", but it's rough because I can't think of a alternate path that isn't at risk of the same fate. I have no answers, just empathy.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Some anecdotes: A professional translator I’ve known for more than twenty-five years has, within the last few months, seen all of his sources of work dry up. He worked in a field that required specialized knowledge and experience and for which there was steady demand, but there was little human interaction: clients would e-mail him texts, and he would e-mail back the translations. He is angry and upset because he bel…

My partner and I often discuss that if civilisation collapses there will still be work to be done. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for people to do more jobs offline. It might even be healthy in the end, though obviously there will be a lot of devastation. Sometimes you have to scrap things and start over with better foundations. I can only pray that some of these efforts can be put into the real world problems that are surmounting of late, such as rewilding, etc. but being a dreamer keeps my sanity. :)

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried. It is a tool, and a good one, but not a replacement for the thought required to design an app that will function, scale, and have good UX to result in a marketable product. So use it and enjoy its benefits while letting it help you perform even better. As far as everything else you've said... oof, you need a break. You seem focused on money and ego. Maybe it is time to simpli…

In addition to the other comment, how many developers do you think are designing an app vs maintaining existing code or adding fairly basic CRUD features?

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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I am a bit concerned too, the current state of tech is nowhere near to replace a senior engineer, but where it will be 5 years from now is a scary thought.

Yesterday I tried to get GPT4 to generate me a Dovecot Sieve filter to move .ru email to Junk and mark it seen, it failed 3 times and hallucinated some syntax that looked plausible, but actually is not supported by Dovecot. My hope was that I would not have to spend 15 minutes Googling and could get an answer faster from GP4, but in this case GPT4 did not succeed.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Back when personal technical blogging was a thing, I produced a lot of valuable content for myself and my employer. It was valuable in a sense that it was read, and positioned us as expert in the field, which lead directly to sales. Now, companies are expected to produce content on, say, linked-in, in order to get clicks - just to be seen to be an active company. What is produced now is mostly PR fluff that is written by people that are so distanced from the technology, that it is essentially meaningless. We had a young 'social media content' person that quit after seeing ChatGPT. On reflection, they were right. Producing meaningless marketing content and 'organics' and liking stuff to get likes back is something that an AI can do. ChatGPT can produce '100 words on innovative AR Product that is going to change business' as much as a meatbot can.

As per my anecdata above, if you are working in field where the value that you add is pretty low. You can get replaced by ChatGPT quite easily. In some ways cookie-cutter web development is like that. If your job can be outsourced to cheap and less experienced (in terms of domain knowledge) people, it can be 'outsourced' to ChatGPT. Do hard stuff. Not hard as in you are able to buidl a web page with this weeks' new framework, but hard as in solving a problem that other people cannot. If other people can't solve the problem, it doesn't matter if you're competing with an AIbot or a meatbot.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Many companies that sell applications realize that chatgpt can easily replace their value prop. Even if it doesn't get 100% of the way there, people still much prefer to have less tools.

A very large, difficult to comprehend, shakeup is happening at all the tech companies in the world. Stuff is falling apart in a big way and it will be interesting to see how it comes together again. Just think about stackoverflow and then think carefully about every other service you use online.

I think some of you are in denial about where your salary comes from. When these companies can't compete they aren't going to continue paying you, and they will probably fire you long before then.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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I’m amazed at the number of people responding to this and answering the question they want to answer, not the question the OP is asking.

> It just feels like anyone could do it.

This.

Yes, you’re 100% right. No, AI will not take away all the jobs, that’s not going to happen, but no one thinks it’s going to happen, anyone calling that out and saying… “don’t worry! AI is just a tool…” are beating a strawman.

The reality is that doing difficult highly paid work will become significantly eaiser and a much wider pool of people will be able to apply to do jobs that previously only people demanding significantly higher wages were able to actually do.

…and that will mean, a surplus of people wanting jobs, to the delight of large businesses who will use it as an (entirely reasonable) excuse to choose to employ cheaper workers.

Flat fact: 20 year of experience and a college degree mean nothing if someone can do the same job for 60% of the pay, and there are 1) people who will accept that and 2) the technology will increasingly enable this scenario.

Certainly, other roles will appear in other areas, but face the blunt reality: the days of scarcity based high wage roles for programmers such as there are today is numbered.

If you want to maintain your income and level, you probably need to start looking around for ways of doing that now, before there are 60 people applying to do your job on Fiverr.

If you stand still, you are correct, you’re basically screwed.

…but, you don’t have to stand still.

Remember, you are better than the majority of the people who will be able to do your current job in the future using AI. That’s why you have your job now.

Lean into it with your professional development to make yourself better than you are now using the tools.

That seems like the only really sensible advice I’ve seen recently.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried. It is a tool, and a good one, but not a replacement for the thought required to design an app that will function, scale, and have good UX to result in a marketable product. So use it and enjoy its benefits while letting it help you perform even better. As far as everything else you've said... oof, you need a break. You seem focused on money and ego. Maybe it is time to simpli…

> The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried I'm curious, as I see quite a few people saying this. You might not be worried about GPT4, but aren't you at least a little concerned about GPT8 or whatever? Just having a post like this a mere 5 years ago would've been unthinkable yet here we are.

I'm thinking along similar lines, the more I use it the less it scares. I'm simply seeing it as a tool to be used to help enable tasks and even products I build. It's hard to know how sentient gpt8 will appear and if it can do everything to completely replace developers. I'll have to keep an eye on it and ensure that I change with those times, perhaps the role of developer will be drastically different by then. It's the same with any tech, keep up to ensure you're still relevant.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Time for you to enter consulting!

Your services will be even more valuable in assisting others who are completely dependent on whatever form of AI is doing the programming.

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