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Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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Refurb M1 Air + Asahi. Wait a cycle then maybe do the same with the M2.

This is it - nothing beats my asahi m1 air on anything: price, battery life, desktop cpu grunt, no throttling either thermally or on battery. I can't believe the best arm machine is made by Apple, 3 years on. Eventually we'll have arm machines made by other PC manufacturers, I'm most excited by Lenovo, but till then. $600 gets you a powerhouse of a machine.

But at this point, why not use OSX directly? In the end, you can do the same things as on Linux. What can you do on Linux that you can't do on Mac?

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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I've had really good luck with the one generation old relatively up-market Dells - their consumer products tend to be mediocre, but the Latitudes and Precisions are typically good hardware ... look for Dells that start with a "7".

My little 12-13" class carryin' around laptops for the last many years have been a first-party refurbished Latitude E7250 succeeded by a similarly refurb Latitude 7390. Replacement after not quite 5 years because I finally got a tiny hairline crack in the LCD that caused some discoloration in the corner of the screen, from a hit that would have bent the corner of an aluminum chassis machine, and it was starting to struggle with running video conferencing at the same time as my usual workloads. First party refurb meaning https://www.dellrefurbished.com/ - It's a joint venture by FedEx and Dell, stock is "whatever they have right now" but there are always machines coming through, and there are usually coupons that make it even cheaper, so pick what you want and watch for a few weeks if you can.

As you note, going for a generation old machine not only gives time for the hardware support to settle out, it makes it _much_ cheaper: Both of those were around $500 for examples optioned up to 1920x1080 screens, the newer one has 16GB of RAM in it, etc., and I kind of prefer that the machine I carry around day-to-day isn't something I have to be super precious about.

In the two example cases, everything _except_ a Broadcom smartcard reader that I don't have any compelling use for anyway worked out of the box with little-to-no configuration, I get credibly 10-12 hours of usable battery out of the newer one (I'm running a full-integration KDE on Arch setup, so it's not light but it's also running active power management), and the 7250's (readily replaceable if I chose to) battery still has 78% of its design capacity after years of cycles.

...or if you want a truly low-end beater, buy an EOL Chromebook for like $50, flash a UEFI Coreboot payload (MrChromebox maintains builds for most of the common models) and hack on it mercilessly. They're low-end, but are fine at being low end, and the ones built for the education market will take a _beating_. I have one that I use as a media player/reference materials display when doing potentially destructive things like sanding/filing/paint stripping or what have you. I got it to do that as a Chromebook, but after it was getting concerningly out of date once the model passed AUE, I flashed it and now it's usually running some weird stack (currently Hyprland) that I want to try out on a machine I actually use without interfering with machines I do real work on.

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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Look for a discounted Lenovo ThinkPad that you can test out in store to make sure it has a sturdy keyboard and can handle key presses without a hollow feeling. I'd recommend trying to install Alpine Linux as a challenge and it ends up teaching you a lot about the simplicity of the OS and beauty of OpenRC. Otherwise, Debian is a very reliable and easy to use/install OS and well tested on Lenovo hardware. Failing that,…

I'm an Arch user (manjaro when I'm feeling lazy). But the Alpine Installation challenge seems fun :D OpenRC has been in my list to dive into, and I think its worth a try :D Thanks for the suggestion!

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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I have an old gen (9350) Dell XPS13 that I still haven't found a replacement for, recently replaced the battery in it, this thing is almost 10 years old and still great.

I'm considering the X1 Nano Gen2 (Gen1 and Gen3 are capped at 16GB for some reason).

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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I've had really good luck with the one generation old relatively up-market Dells - their consumer products tend to be mediocre, but the Latitudes and Precisions are typically good hardware ... look for Dells that start with a "7". My little 12-13" class carryin' around laptops for the last many years have been a first-party refurbished Latitude E7250 succeeded by a similarly refurb Latitude 7390. Replacement after no…

Too much wisdom in those paragraphs! Will certainly have an eye out for the refurbished options. Usually I'm also a very happy with Dells, and one of the most powerfull laptops I've had the chance of working with was an old Latitude (those with a purple finish) and boy it was a beast.

The chrome books seem like a nice path as well.

I'd love to lear more about the nomenclature/model codes that the main manufacturers use. I had no idea "7"s were the reliable ones :D

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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I have a Thinkpad T14 running Ubuntu. It just works so far.

Can also vouch for this. Bought a 2nd gen AMD Thinkpad T14 ~last year and haven't had any issues at all running Debian testing (bookworm). Swapped the m.2 with a 4TB one and added an extra 16GB of RAM to supplement the soldered 16GB. I believe they're on 3rd gen now but I imagine hardware compatibility is probably similar to 2nd gen.

The size/form factor is basically the same as my old T460s which I've had for ~8+ years and is still running, but a bit dated now with a 2c/4t Intel CPU. I believe back then the T460s was the "slim" version of the T460, but Lenovo seems to have dropped the "s" for the T14 even though the dimensions of both seem the same to me, maybe a couple extra mm in height on the T14.

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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I am quite happy with my 12th gen 13" Framework running NixOS. Everything I need seems to work out of the box (sleep/resume (not using hibernate though), Touchpad, camera, mic, etc) and seems quite stable. The 13th Gen (w/i7 only?) has a bigger batter so battery life should be better (a chief concern for some - though I am almost always plugged in). The new version also has an option for a matte screen. There's also…

-1 Framework. Mine does not sleep. I've tried it all, and it won't sleep. It certainly won't hibernate. It's either on or it's off. It's nice to use at home, but it's pretty much useless anywhere else.

Are there others with this issue? A quick google says it should work. I don't have a Framework laptop myself but an 2016 MBP with linux on it, LVM in LUKS, and hibernation works.

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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The dell xps 13 is a really nice laptop, and it's fully compatible with linux because dell even has a 'developer edition' of the laptop that ships with ubuntu.

I'm going to push back on this one for Linux: The "developer edition" thing was nice when they first started it out and Linux laptops were super-rare. But even then, it was clear that this was a Windows machine that was awkwardly cajoled into mostly-kinda supporting Linux. Some stuff didn't work, there are proprietary drivers that only work with Ubuntu, and in general it just required a lot of tweaking to get it to w…

Yeah, mine's from ~ 2016 I think. Before that I had a insp 1420 which was also well known for it's linux compatibility. Apparently things have gotten worse in recent years?

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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My daily driver is still a Dell XPS13 I bought in 2018 when it was the highest spec XPS13 available. I replaced it with a later (and higher spec) XPS13 in late 2021, but didn't like Dell's changes to the keyboard layout and returned to using the older machine. I'm looking at a 13" Framework with the AMD chipset, but holding off for now in case Linux on an M2 Macbook Pro matures quickly enough to be an option.

Re: Ask HN: I Want to have a small Linux laptop. What are my options?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is it - nothing beats my asahi m1 air on anything: price, battery life, desktop cpu grunt, no throttling either thermally or on battery. I can't believe the best arm machine is made by Apple, 3 years on. Eventually we'll have arm machines made by other PC manufacturers, I'm most excited by Lenovo, but till then. $600 gets you a powerhouse of a machine.

But at this point, why not use OSX directly? In the end, you can do the same things as on Linux. What can you do on Linux that you can't do on Mac?

One thing you can do is turn off the nauseating animation when switching between desktops/spaces.
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