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Ask HN: Trauma has broken me. Nothing has worked. Alternatives to suicide?

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Re: Ask HN: Trauma has broken me. Nothing has worked. Alternatives to suicide?

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I wish suicide wasn't so stigmatized. Sure it leaves behind survivors, but our planet includes so much suffering. They say "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", but I think that can come across as dismissive of real systemic issues. People committing suicide might have been suffering for years, with no end to suffering in sight, and suicide seems like a reasonable way to just.. not continue suffer…

I dunno, suicide seems exactly as stigmatized as it needs to be now that euthanasia for people with terminal conditions is becoming accepted (here in Canada). That said, I agree society has the burden to provide assistance, mental health is severely underfunded and under-researched, and the legal restrictions around drugs that could assist psychotherapy are frankly criminal. Compounds like MDMA are literally "instant…

MAID isn't just for people with terminal conditions to be clear.

> That said, I agree society has the burden to provide assistance, mental health is severely underfunded and under-researched, and the legal restrictions around drugs that could assist psychotherapy are frankly criminal

It's not just clinical mental health issues (though I agree with all of this too). Society is massively failing enormous groups of people, perhaps the majority, by not enacting radical policy changes that make it feasible to have a roof over one's head, eat, and maybe have time for leisure. We have an epidemic of homelessness here in Vancouver that keeps getting worse every day, with no relief in sight for people on hard times.

Working a full time job at minimum wage won't even afford you an average priced 1-bedroom, let alone food. People manage to get by with roommates, but finding house shares is harder and harder. Here's what ~80 hours of work at a minimum wage job will allow you to rent: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sro-tour . That's half your monthly pay, and that's assuming you're able to work full time, don't have medical/dental/therapy/physio expenses that prevent you from working full time, and can find work. With no kitchen and rising food costs, the other half of your paycheck is going to food.

Contrary to popular belief, not that many people actually starved during the great depression; suicide was a larger cause of death at the time, and our suicide rate now is probably not much better.

Rather than telling people contemplating suicide that "things will get better" we should be holding our politicians accountable for the systems failing people. We don't know that things will get better, and I don't think it's fair to tell people to just continue suffering indefinitely on the off chance they might improve, when there's no plan to actually bring about those changes that would improve their quality of life.

Re: Ask HN: Trauma has broken me. Nothing has worked. Alternatives to suicide?

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Arrest and forced medication.

Better than losing your life, no?

Depends on the country, and state. Norway? Sure. California? No. The funding levels for public mental health facilities is abysmal, and the chances of being abused and "locked" in the system is huge. Would you rather be strapped to a bed all day, mistreated, assaulted, and forcibly medicated, or choose your own path?

If it's between a mental hospital or death, I will choose death.

Re: Ask HN: Trauma has broken me. Nothing has worked. Alternatives to suicide?

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You need to know that you are a child of a loving (just and merciful) God, a Heavenly Father who has a plan, that there is a reason we live in a world where things can be very hard, that this life is not the end, and that eventually, it will indeed all be sorted out. Be patient (easy to say, I know, but I have some experience to back it up). Avoid things that deny you of opportunities, and which you alone cannot un-do. It can be OK, really.

(More, if desired, at simple site in my profile; nothing for sale.)

Re: Ask HN: Trauma has broken me. Nothing has worked. Alternatives to suicide?

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You need to know that you are a child of a loving (just and merciful) God, a Heavenly Father who has a plan, that there is a reason we live in a world where things can be very hard, that this life is not the end, and that eventually, it will indeed all be sorted out. Be patient (easy to say, I know, but I have some experience to back it up). Avoid things that deny you of opportunities, and which you alone cannot un-d…

Ah yes, the absentee father theory

Many stone age adherents believe there's an invisible jewish guy in outer space listening to us.

Millions have been killed by these fanatics through the millenia.

Apparently you're supposed to take some solace from that...

Re: Ask HN: Trauma has broken me. Nothing has worked. Alternatives to suicide?

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You need to know that you are a child of a loving (just and merciful) God, a Heavenly Father who has a plan, that there is a reason we live in a world where things can be very hard, that this life is not the end, and that eventually, it will indeed all be sorted out. Be patient (easy to say, I know, but I have some experience to back it up). Avoid things that deny you of opportunities, and which you alone cannot un-d…

Yes, an invisible magic sky monster will save you!

Layering the paranoid delusions of the religious nut jobs onto someone who is already having mental health issues is not the correct answer.

Re: Ask HN: Trauma has broken me. Nothing has worked. Alternatives to suicide?

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You need to know that you are a child of a loving (just and merciful) God, a Heavenly Father who has a plan, that there is a reason we live in a world where things can be very hard, that this life is not the end, and that eventually, it will indeed all be sorted out. Be patient (easy to say, I know, but I have some experience to back it up). Avoid things that deny you of opportunities, and which you alone cannot un-d…

Yes, an invisible magic sky monster will save you! Layering the paranoid delusions of the religious nut jobs onto someone who is already having mental health issues is not the correct answer.

Given some things going on in the world, I can almost see why you would say this.

However, I have learned some things for myself, and cannot deny what I know is true. As noted before, there is much more detail, including how I have determined this for myself. It is actually a big help amid big challenges in life.

I appreciate thoughtful replies, especially with any downvotes (and more especially if you have explored my site, in the profile).

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