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Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

#61
post #19

It's a power play. Plus, companies have all this real estate that they need to justify. I've listened closely to all of the pro-RTO people, and have yet to hear a single reason proposed that makes any sense at all. The only thing I'm left with that makes any sense is that this is about power and money.

You don't want to hear other reasons. There are tons of people that now work on 2-3 companies at the same time -> productivity decreased. They do all other stuff around the house and they get caught up on it -> productivity decreased. Company culture doesn't make sense anymore and teams are less connected -> productivity decreased. There are many other reasons, not just power like people here say just because they ar…

This hasn’t been my experience at all.

I’ve been remote for over 15yrs starting as a junior and becoming a senior with added management responsibilities. I’ve been mentored and have mentored remotely.

Remote can and does work, but the company needs to be set up or adjust for it properly. Remote and asynchronous communication needs to be the primary way to communicate for it to work IMO.

Here is a pre-pandemic post on Wordpress, which started as a remote first company: https://hbr.org/2013/03/how-wordpress-thrives-with-a-1

You mentioned troublesome employees, these also exist in the office but they also impact other employees. I’ve had many complaints over the years of disruptive staff in the office making it difficult for others to focus and get work done. I’ve only known one remote employee who clearly wasn’t spending his time working.

I need hours of uninterrupted time to get work done. This just doesn’t happen at the office.

I know it’s not for everyone, I’ve had staff leave because they need the social aspect of working in an office, but in general, in my line of work, people prefer to be remote.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

#62
post #5

Let me give you a different perspective than "employers want power" etc. Not everyone can work remotely. Remote 100% is not always the answer. If you are entry level and want to learn from your peers and seniors, nothing beats in person collaboration. Nothing. People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote i…

"People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote is a bad idea."

Why three years? What about 4 years? How about 2.5 years?

I'm sorry to call you out but it's incredibly frustrating than on a news aggregate site that purports to hold itself to a higher standard than alternatives like reddit, that users are still completely confident about putting forth assertions such as these with zero actual concrete quantifiable data other than anecdotal evidence.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

#63
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WFH people aren't demanding that everyone work from home. They're just demanding that they be allowed to.

Yes, except this doesn't create the outcome that most people who enjoy in-person work desire. If I'm the only one in the office and 20 people are working from home, that isn't what I'm looking for. So either I decide if I can deal with it or find a new job. And the company decides whether they can live with it or if they're going to mandate remote work, or mandate RTO. Pro-WFH people like to portray their stance as c…

If the majority of people at your company would prefer to work from home then it's not a good culture fit for you as somebody who wants to RTO.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

#64
post #8

> The best I have is that this is some kind of power play but I'm not convinced. Am I missing something? You can consider that not everyone has the same preferences as you. Many people are more productive and happier working from an office and meeting their colleauges in person. Forcing people into limited open space with unassigned seats sounds like terrible execution of return to office but in general RTO doesn't h…

"Many people are more productive and happier working from an office and meeting their colleauges in person."

I can only speak to my industry as a software engineer, but I have yet to meet someone in my field under 40 who wants to go into an office.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

#65
post #5

Let me give you a different perspective than "employers want power" etc. Not everyone can work remotely. Remote 100% is not always the answer. If you are entry level and want to learn from your peers and seniors, nothing beats in person collaboration. Nothing. People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote i…

"People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote is a bad idea." Why three years? What about 4 years? How about 2.5 years? I'm sorry to call you out but it's incredibly frustrating than on a news aggregate site that purports to hold itself to a higher standard than alternatives like reddit, that users are sti…

It’s a message board, not a PhD defense.

What’s the factual basis for your visceral reaction?

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think execs have less power remotely?

They are just another face on a screen. Completely ignores thousands of years of evolution that proves that people behave completely different when they are in the same room as someone. As a silly, anecdotal example - consider the phrase 'smile in my face, then stab me in the back'. People are quick to talk trash about someone when they aren't in the same room, but act completely different when in person. Executives…

Other than at startups of less than 100 people I have seldom been in the same room as an exec

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, except this doesn't create the outcome that most people who enjoy in-person work desire. If I'm the only one in the office and 20 people are working from home, that isn't what I'm looking for. So either I decide if I can deal with it or find a new job. And the company decides whether they can live with it or if they're going to mandate remote work, or mandate RTO. Pro-WFH people like to portray their stance as c…

If the majority of people at your company would prefer to work from home then it's not a good culture fit for you as somebody who wants to RTO.

Exactly! And a 99% remote culture may also not be the culture the company wants.
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