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Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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I burnt out hard after almost 20 years programming, mostly web things, last decade in the full-stack JavaScript ecosystem. Last year I started building simple electronic stuff with the Raspberry Pi Pico board. It's not far off from programming and I had to learn C (Python feels too JS somehow), but being able to literally move things with electrons and code and talk directly to the metal awakened something in me. I g…

You should also have a look at https://www.youtube.com/@rctestflight with lots of autonomous vehicles, solar driven power etc.

Yes! I meant to link to rctestflight and not RCLifeOn. Amazing stuff. Especially the latest ground effect series.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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It's hard to suggest things tbh because it's very individual.

I decided to buy and move to a farm we're I will renovate it myself and create an environment which is quite, green and lively.

I also hope that this will give me the balance and allows me to look outside in my future park while working and also being able to transition into life work balance which is worth it.

Then I will try to design a sustainable day to day schedule for enough time for outside and study time. The study time itself will than be containing all the things you mentioned like learning music or another language.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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Have you been 10 years at the same company? That is a long, long time. Simply trying something new might be enough to knock you out of your slump. ML is just one niche - why not move to an infra team, security team, sre team or similar? It will be completely new and may reignite your love for engineering.

I'm mixed on sabbaticals. I think the key thing with a sabbatical, for me at least, is it should be treated as doing another job for a while - pick a personal project, some open source you are interested in, and deliver some major functionality on it over a few months. You mentioned Emacs - there is lots of work that Emacs needs for improvement, so it is ripe with things you can pick up and work on. The worse thing for me is just sitting around and doing nothing, that leads me to depression if I do it for long enough.

As others have said, I'd also suggest working on your relationship to work. Seeing a therapist may help with this. If you can find fulfillment outside of work, then the work itself becomes less big in your life and it's easier to avoid burnout.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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I couldn't suggest what you should do next with your life because of course that's different to everyone.

But seeing that your experience is mostly on FAANGs and big companies, have you thought of going with a smaller early-stage company? These are environments where people usually expose them selves to a broader spectrum of things, even having the ability to choose specifically what they want to work on.

Workplace politics unfortunately are everywhere, small or big companies. You can't really avoid those.

I also can't stress enough other replies here about really exploring your self outside of work. What do you like spending your time on outside of working hours? Any hobbies that take your mind off? If there aren't any, can you start exploring new activities (without necessary having to take a sabbatical or move to another place?)

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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Go to work for a Fortune 100 company. In my experience, the salary isn’t as good, the food and massages aren’t free, but the work life balance is much better. I never feel stress. I enjoy the work. I like my coworkers. I’m the complete opposite of burned out.

You may have a similar experience in a FAANG that is more chilled.

My friends at Amazon are killing themselves.

The ones at Google, well... I'm impressed by how little they can do.

I guess it's also heavily management dependant. If some middle manager doesn't give a crap and somehow can get away with it those below can slack as much.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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what about a really long vacation?

like half a year or more. call it a sabbatical.

if you have kids and/or a significant other, take them with you.

you are already thinking about what to do next. find a way to not do thing, other than sun and relax and maybe some bodily activity.

(From my experience, had more than 1 burn out over the years).

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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> Part of me is tired of spending so much of my life in front of a computer.

If you really want to get outdoors a lot and also do something technical, move somewhere really rural with low cost of living and start a wireless ISP or tiny regional fiber to the home ISP. Depends how good your network engineering knowledge or ability to teach yourself is, and level of interest in doing residential access ISP operations, of course.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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What helped me was surround myself with people I like - I mean, work wise. That’s much easier said than done. Michael and Dalton touch on this on a recent video where they compare modern FAANG with Goldman Sachs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia7IKW0yuG0 The founder culture is so full of kool-aid that it can be tough to find those people there, too, but I found overall that that was the best place for me. Interesti…

Hah that is a great video. I graduated in '05 and it was very similar. Everyone was asking why I was doing a CS degree - no future in tech, everything is being out sourced, etc. But I did it because I loved computers and coding! That kind of person seems very rare nowadays. I rarely work with people who had a similar passion - coding when they were a teenager for fun, for example.

Only thing I'd say about that video is they don't mention privilege. Joining an early stage startup in the US was only really possible if you were coming from a place of privilege imo, even when it was "uncool". At least that's what stopped me - I had 80k in student loans to pay off with a 10% interest rate, so I couldn't really take risks at that point in my life.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm sure everyone can be unemployed for a year straight and live out of their car. That sounds completely reasonable and not absolutely, in any way, privileged or insane.

You got flagged, but yea that’s crazy. I don’t make faang money but make like 60% and I still could only safely take off 8 months after having saved up for years. Being able to take off a year to recover from burnout, without dealing with the stress of having no income for a year, means you are probably post money if not close. If that’s the case and the OP has interests like they listed, just start a company doing s…

You can get 1/2 a year just from short term disability from burnout at FAANG

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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(OP here) I wanted to avoid a wall of text, so I'll elaborate here on where I'm coming from. My complaints with FAANG have to do with perverse incentives that reward nonsensical decisions, poorly thought-out and over-engineered projects, grandiose documents, duplication of work, selective reporting of metrics, etc. The few times I had a really good manager, a sane environment, and fulfilling work only lasted until th…

I don't know if your lifestyle allows you some 'runway', but you may consider rekindling your passions by dedicating time to FOSS projects, where you don't have crazy management structure and can find a project where innovation is possible and aligns with your interests.

On that note, I’ll share my personal “FAANG-remedy” project here: https://blog.erlend.sh/reclaiming-my-digital-identity

I’m working on this with a dozen or so loosely connected, values-aligned people distributed across the globe. Matrix is a key part of the puzzle. You’re very welcome to just hang out and see if anything our collective is engaged in sparks your interest.

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