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Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by mcrib »

petodo wrote: post #52

EU tax for videocameras vs still cameras Though I wonder who needs to record more than 30 minutes in one take? Seems like extremely niche scenario even with videocameras. I remember Ukraine or Russia had for many years even crazier tax on cars which were improted partially disassembled and then assembled locally to avoid much higher import tax on completely assembled car, but can't find it now. Seems it was scratched…

recording longer than 30min is primarily for if you're recording an event (longer than 30min, like a sports match) and being able to leave the camera in a fixed location without having to go back and forth

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by ilyt »

bena wrote: post #42
crazygringo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of how Converse Chuck Taylors have a small layer of fuzz on the bottom of the sole that wears away after a wearing it for a bit. Seemed totally bizarre, until you learn that it was so they can be classified as "slippers" which had a much smaller import tax than sneakers. It still astonishes me that a legal hack like that works . https://www.gearpatrol.com/style/shoes-boots/a715423/convers...

It's because they're trying to essentially legislate taxonomy, which is nearly impossible. It's the impetus behind the question "Is a hotdog a sandwich?" What does it mean to be a sandwich? What are the properties of sandwichness? When does something stop being a sandwich? What's the line between pasta and bread? Bread and cake? Shoe and slipper? The fact that all fruits are vegetables, but not all vegetables are fru…

> It's the impetus behind the question "Is a hotdog a sandwich?"

It seems like that's the "every hot-dog is a sandwich but not every sandwich is a hot dog" thing

> What's the line between pasta and bread?

Leaveners

> Bread and cake?

Sugar content

But I think question here is why products for such similar use have such different taxation ? Why video is taxed more than pictures ? What purpose does it serve?

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by ilyt »

nickdothutton wrote: post #7
theshrike79 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this is like Sony adding Linux as an option to the PS3 to make it a "general computing device" instead of a "game console" and getting a lower duty percentage?

Spain used to have an extra import tax on home computers with <=64KB RAM. One manufacturer got around it by including an extra 8KB chip on a daughterboard (not electrically connected at all!) to increase the RAM to 72KB and avoid the tax.

...Why would they tax extra ones with smaller memory ? Was there actual reason specified somewhere ?

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by bena »

ilyt wrote: post #62
bena wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because they're trying to essentially legislate taxonomy, which is nearly impossible. It's the impetus behind the question "Is a hotdog a sandwich?" What does it mean to be a sandwich? What are the properties of sandwichness? When does something stop being a sandwich? What's the line between pasta and bread? Bread and cake? Shoe and slipper? The fact that all fruits are vegetables, but not all vegetables are fru…

> It's the impetus behind the question "Is a hotdog a sandwich?" It seems like that's the "every hot-dog is a sandwich but not every sandwich is a hot dog" thing > What's the line between pasta and bread? Leaveners > Bread and cake? Sugar content But I think question here is why products for such similar use have such different taxation ? Why video is taxed more than pictures ? What purpose does it serve?

There's unleavened bread. There's both breads with higher sugar content and cakes with lower sugar content.

The point is that it really is just our vague impressions of things. Taxonomy has the impossible task of defining things that really don't have clear definitions. When does a table become a chair? Etc.

Why do you think a hot dog is a sandwich? Does that make a taco a sandwich? If not, why aren't hot dogs tacos? Is a Pop Tart a ravioli?

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by ilyt »

bena wrote: post #64
ilyt wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's the impetus behind the question "Is a hotdog a sandwich?" It seems like that's the "every hot-dog is a sandwich but not every sandwich is a hot dog" thing > What's the line between pasta and bread? Leaveners > Bread and cake? Sugar content But I think question here is why products for such similar use have such different taxation ? Why video is taxed more than pictures ? What purpose does it serve?

There's unleavened bread. There's both breads with higher sugar content and cakes with lower sugar content. The point is that it really is just our vague impressions of things. Taxonomy has the impossible task of defining things that really don't have clear definitions. When does a table become a chair? Etc. Why do you think a hot dog is a sandwich? Does that make a taco a sandwich? If not, why aren't hot dogs tacos?…

> There's unleavened bread.

Yeah for bread vs pasta the "you need to boil the dry pasta and bake/fry the bread dough is better selector I admit. If you bake dry pasta it won't go well

> Why do you think a hot dog is a sandwich?

Bread, stuff, bread

> Does that make a taco a sandwich?

Yes

> If not, why aren't hot dogs tacos?

They are different kinds on sandwich family tree. Calzone is a pie just like pizza

> Is a Pop Tart a ravioli?

Never eaten that abomination in my life but it has no pasta in it so no

Feel free to ask if you have any other doubts.

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by Rarok »

ilyt wrote: post #63
nickdothutton wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spain used to have an extra import tax on home computers with <=64KB RAM. One manufacturer got around it by including an extra 8KB chip on a daughterboard (not electrically connected at all!) to increase the RAM to 72KB and avoid the tax.

...Why would they tax extra ones with smaller memory ? Was there actual reason specified somewhere ?

It's said that the tax was for every computing machine but big companies pressured the government to remove it and what the government did was only tax microcomputers and not systems like mainframes and such.

The computer with the 72KB was the Amstrad CPC472

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amstrad_CPC#CPC472

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by oxfordmale »

Throwaway78389 wrote: post #53
oxfordmale wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you really want to record movies longer than 30 minutes on your phone? Not even sure if the UK has changed this already.

I really want technology to be as good as it gets, not as good as tax/tariff law allows.

The tax/tariff laws might dictate 30 minutes; however, in this case, it is also a practical limit for recording on your phone. Manufacturers need to set some boundaries in case someone is making a pocket recording that potentially could fill up the storage, drain the battery, and crash the device. If you want to record more than 30 minutes, you are better off buying recording equipment.

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by daveslash »

bena wrote: post #42
crazygringo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of how Converse Chuck Taylors have a small layer of fuzz on the bottom of the sole that wears away after a wearing it for a bit. Seemed totally bizarre, until you learn that it was so they can be classified as "slippers" which had a much smaller import tax than sneakers. It still astonishes me that a legal hack like that works . https://www.gearpatrol.com/style/shoes-boots/a715423/convers...

It's because they're trying to essentially legislate taxonomy, which is nearly impossible. It's the impetus behind the question "Is a hotdog a sandwich?" What does it mean to be a sandwich? What are the properties of sandwichness? When does something stop being a sandwich? What's the line between pasta and bread? Bread and cake? Shoe and slipper? The fact that all fruits are vegetables, but not all vegetables are fru…

RE>> Because "yeah, that's a slipper" doesn't pass muster.

[Justice Potter Stewart has entered the chat]: "I know it when I see it". "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

Re: Ask HN: Why do cameras stop recording after 30 minutes?

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Post by daveslash »

ilyt wrote: post #65
bena wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's unleavened bread. There's both breads with higher sugar content and cakes with lower sugar content. The point is that it really is just our vague impressions of things. Taxonomy has the impossible task of defining things that really don't have clear definitions. When does a table become a chair? Etc. Why do you think a hot dog is a sandwich? Does that make a taco a sandwich? If not, why aren't hot dogs tacos?…

> There's unleavened bread. Yeah for bread vs pasta the "you need to boil the dry pasta and bake/fry the bread dough is better selector I admit. If you bake dry pasta it won't go well > Why do you think a hot dog is a sandwich? Bread, stuff, bread > Does that make a taco a sandwich? Yes > If not, why aren't hot dogs tacos? They are different kinds on sandwich family tree. Calzone is a pie just like pizza > Is a Pop T…

Re >> Feel free to ask if you have any other doubts. -- Well, since you offered...

If a calzone is a pie, is a hot pocket a pie? Would that make a pop-tart a smaller fruit pie?

If a taco is a sandwich, does that make taquitos (rolled tacos) sandwiches? If taquitos are sandwiches, are eggrolls? What about burritos?

Is bannana bread a cake?

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