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Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

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Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

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Anger. Get angry. A lot of trauma is internalization. You blame yourself. It's made to be your fault. You're told you're a terrible person. Get mad about what happened to you. Anger is your tool for being pissed off and asserting your boundaries. https://cptsdfoundation.org/2022/05/31/the-importance-of-ang...

This is insanely bad advice, IMO. Anger is very hard to control, can easily backfire into self-loathing and cause you to strain existing relationships, which can also further fuel internal anger at oneself. If you get mad about what happened to you and start lashing out at others, you risk isolating yourself and deepening your depression.

Second this - it can also cause a split personality, the usual inner monologue becomes abusive as you blame yourself, so you get angry at it, which feeds the condition.

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

#62

Anger. Get angry. A lot of trauma is internalization. You blame yourself. It's made to be your fault. You're told you're a terrible person. Get mad about what happened to you. Anger is your tool for being pissed off and asserting your boundaries. https://cptsdfoundation.org/2022/05/31/the-importance-of-ang...

This is insanely bad advice, IMO. Anger is very hard to control, can easily backfire into self-loathing and cause you to strain existing relationships, which can also further fuel internal anger at oneself. If you get mad about what happened to you and start lashing out at others, you risk isolating yourself and deepening your depression.

I'm studying emotional philosophy and I think it's great advice. Executive function disorders stem from an inability to healthily feel and use anger. If you had a parent who monopolized expressions of anger during your childhood, you're going to have problems with executive function as an adult.

Fear and anger are like look and leap. People who can't feel anger can only look and never leap.

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

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Agreed on mind and body as one. I'm working to address physical health, but it often feels my brain has been irreparably damaged over the course of 2 decades to where no amount of physical health will rewire the necessary circuits to achieve normal function.

That's hard, I'm sorry you have that struggle. I am about as far away from an expert on the brain as it gets, so I don't want to pretend to have wisdom there. The only thing I can say for myself is around Duḥkha, or that life is suffering. Navigating the balance between self improvement, and being okay with the idea you may never improve to the point you want is hard. I know as much as I wish I could run a 5 minute m…

> That mindset is easier said than done, though.

Yep, I've found that accepting a new value framework at an intellectual level is far easier than getting your emotional brain to accept it. I've found that having deep conversations with people where you talk about your new value system helps. There's something about the process of sharing your new value system with your friends & acquaintances that hastens the re-wiring of your emotional brain.

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

#65
For me, general low energy and brain fog for years was low thyroid level. Your level could have been declining for a while unrelatedly, but at the same time, as your trauma. In addition to level, after diagnosis and initial mitigation via artificial thyroid replacement medication, I had to switch to natural thyroid replacement. Finally, had to adjust diet too; finally back to a generally decent state. Get checked and rule this out!

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

#66
Not a unique answer, I'm sure, but you cannot feel good without exercising. The challenge can be that you don't realize how out of shape you feel until you're not, and starting to exercise can and usually does feel worse than none at all. Ideally you'll come to enjoy it, but it's a part of the maintenance required for having a human body.

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

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I've been struggling with this for years and I've made tremendous progress in 2022. Here's what worked for me: - developing a regular aerobic exercise routine. Starting my day with a walk or run makes such a difference, I feel like a different person after I exercise - reducing/cutting out substances. I love cannabis but I recognize that it exacerbates my ADHD symptoms, reduces my desire to connect socially and reduc…

> psychiatric drugs have not worked for me personally, but that certainly doesn't mean they won't work for you. The key to recovery is making them a part of a larger commitment to your overall health. You cannot simply take a drug and ignore the other aspects of your life. Americans have been conditioned to think that a pill solves everything, but this could not be further from the truth

Fellow ADHD'er here, and I am starting to realize this too. I made it through more than 2/3 of my life without treatment, but have sought treatment for almost a decade now. In hindsight, I am not actually sure the treatments really helped as much as I thought they did during those times. I sometimes wonder if the psychoactive effects of treatment merely make me perceive like I am more productive than I am in reality.

I believe the treatments obviously had an effect, but the benefits came with their own costs. Therefore, I feel like I have consistently had a net-gain of 0 improvement. Treatments seem to help with more physical symptoms than mental i.e., lessened hyperactivity but not much improvement in executive functioning.

I feel like I was promised a panacea with how doctors, research, and various anecdota describe the effects, but have been left with a more disappointing reality. I have been debating stopping treatment, but I fear there could be negative repercussions as well.

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

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7 years ago I started a startup. I must have burned out at least 4 times each of those years. Several of those burnouts were severe enough to result in trauma, and each time the negative cognitive impact increased to the point I hit some kind of permanent life burnout.

Just like you describe, I was on a rapid decline: major fatigue, fog, indecisiveness, blanking, low confidence, poor social interaction, etc. I tried picking myself up, but it was always short lived: taking a break from work, meditation, exercise routines, self help, etc. The moment a bit of pressure came back at work, I’d crumble.

I have been operating in this ‘limp mode’ for about 3 years - doing what I can to help keep my business afloat (and vice-versa).

After a massive burnout episode (thanks covid), I sought help: antidepressants, counselling, and eventually a bipolar diagnosis (which I guess explains the preceding destructive burnout pattern).

Resent started creeping in - I used to be creative and energetic, and eager to solve problems. Now I felt like an imposter in the business I created; redundant and useless. People started treating me like a basket case - telling me “not to worry about doing this”, or “we can take care of that”. I don’t blame them.

The bipolar medication didn’t really help - a band-aid at best. It flattened by highs and kept me out of most deep lows. I was essentially told this is how it’d be for the rest of my life: on pills, treading carefully, avoiding stress, and accepting my new mundane existence.

I haven’t even mentioned the effect all this has had on my family. My son was born the day I quit my job to startup. All he’s ever know is an irritable and mostly depressed dad. I’m so fortunate that my partner is resilient and held us all together over the years.

Anyway, that’s the context to how I ended up in a similar situation to you. Never underestimate the seemingly permanent and cumulative damage to your mental health and personality as a result of sustained stress, burnout, and depression.

Recently I have been going down various rabbit holes looking for possible ways out of this hell. The most recent one, and by far the most effective, has been (would you believe) diet.

During my period of resent/bitterness, I began to abuse and self sabotage. Over eating, poor diet, alcohol, vaping, actively suppressing desire for exercise, activity, and social interaction. I was sapped of all motivation and energy: Working part time, sleeping in the early afternoon, useless around home.

One evening after excessive drinking and binge eating on fast food, I could see the downward spiral I was on - and it felt like I was getting close to some horrible low: hatred and destructive behaviour.

I am lucky to have a couple of good drinking buddies (who both facilitated my bad health, but also well and truly understood the challenges of mental health). One of them shared a podcast episode by Tim Ferris [https://tim.blog/2022/11/12/chris-palmer-transcript/amp/].

Often in times of heavy fatigue and fog, I’d think “this is way more a physical condition than it is a mental one: what if one is feeding into the other?” Not a new idea, but after listening to this podcast, a two key things resonated:

1) If I could get my energy levels up through some mitochondria / metabolic hack, I could function and begin to get other parts of my life back in order, thus starting a positive feedback loop.

2) Specific to me, and maybe others - the interview mentioned that a keto style diet was used to treat kids with epilepsy. My primary bipolar medication was developed for epilepsy, and the interview references some bipolar studies.

I can report that the keto diet I have prescribed myself is working exceptionally well. 36g of carbs. My energy has improved dramatically - I function fully from 6am-11pm with no fatigue; I almost have my former mental clarity and cognition restored.

With increased energy, I’m waay more physically active, and more likely to exercise. This helps improve my mood, and the positive feedback loop is reinforced. I literally feel a force compelling me to move forward - I have not had that for years.

My experience and current situation could be miles apart from yours, but I believe the key is to find something to break the cycle: slot ut in and create positive feedback loop, that begins to spin up a flywheel. This will allow you to rediscover more things that get the wheel spinning faster and make it harder to slow it down when adversity arrives. (Flywheel analogy from some other podcast, credit to whoever that was).

My chain breaker has been to take carbohydrates out of my diet, and use ketosis as an alternative metabolic state that has given me the energy to sort my shit out. It’s early days, and hey things could turn sour - but I’ve had a taste of my previous normality that I had nearly forgotten, and this puts it within arms reach again.

Hang in there, and do your best to step out of the gloom and take a good look from above to where you could make a small positive intervention that might put you on your path towards your break.

PS: Check with your doctor before making any significant dietary changes.

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m in the exact position as the OP. In fact this feels like a description of myself. I could barely achieve the simplest of tasks, so I quit my job. I just did nothing at home for a bit, now I’m backpacking. It’s been 2 months and so far my mental health hasn’t improved one bit. I still feel like my brain is trapped in mud; anything that requires minimum mental effort takes an insurmountable amount of energy. I’m no…

If today you only had 20% to give, and you gave it. You gave 100%. If today all you could do was: Brush your teeth then go back to bed. You've accomplished. We are not PRODUCTIVITY MACHINES. We are humans, just like birds are birding, squirrels are squirreling, bees are beeing? I'm not saying to stay complacent, but we humans in this current society have set ourselves for failures. OMG! I'm not making 250k a year, i'…

> OMG! I'm not making 250k a year, i'm a failure, I don't have a TRILLION dollar startup, I'm a failure (not saying you feel this way) but you get my point.

I struggle with this thinking. My job is nothing glorious -- boring, plain SWE state government work. I feel unvalued and unchallenged, but I also do not feel confident enough in my abilities to make any meaningful changes. What if I leave and/or and can't find anything? What if I find something and cannot perform well enough to keep it?

I feel like I am not "ready" to leave because I need to gain more valuable skills and knowledge, and I won't get it at my current position (Gov isn't really known for being up to date or using highly valuable tech stacks). I know I could probably accomplish more if I buckled down and put in the work, but I just don't have the mental energy or drive to do so for some reason.

But what if I do land some killer gig? Will I finally be happy? Probably not, and I never want work to be my entire life -- just a means to fund other areas of my life. So, I often flip-flop on if this whole "career game" is even worth playing. . .

Re: Ask HN: How to restore cognition after years of trauma? I feel slow and dumb

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Okay, I understand this likely not what you were expecting as an answer, but this is based on my own personal experience as well as reading I did before changing my way of eating (specifically the meta-analysis of dozens of scientific papers in Gary Taubes "Why We Get Fat") Switching to a keto diet (under 20 net carbs a day) had an immediate and lasting effect on my mental acuity, mental health, energy levels, and ov…

Great to see someone share another data point for keto. I shared my verbose anecdote above.
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