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Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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Look for "decision fatigue", it's a theory saying that people who have to make a lot of hard decisions, usually at the end of the day are so tired in their mind that they can't get themselves together to decide anything.

The interesting thing is that it's usually seen in poor and uneducated people, not big bosses that supposedly has to make alot of hard decisions. It's more the "shit, how am i going to pay my rent this month"-questions that tires your mind. The theory was that because their minds, unconsciously, are so hogged up with these questions they can't get themselves together and change job, start studying, etc and thus get stuck in an evil circle.

Don't know if this applies to you but make sure you have all your basics together before you start diving into more tough areas.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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First, check the essentials: Are you sleeping, eating decent food, and exercising regularly? If not, you may be neither burnt out nor lazy. Take care of this stuff first. Second, have you spent the last year working so hard that nothing short of a physical illness will make you slow down? Do you regularly push through problems with sheer willpower? Do you crave the next "green" unit test result beyond all sanity? If…

What you describe there is laziness. Burnout is this weird concept that developers have invented to describe "I can't be bothered to keep going". 5 years, no days off, one 5 day holiday per year, on call 24/7 for the duration, and I'm just fine. Depressed and exhausted, yes, but the work keeps flowing in and the code keeps flowing out, which is all that matters. I guess what I'm getting at is that people have forgott…

> I'm just fine. Depressed and exhausted, yes

If you actually thought about what you write, I could belive you. Or even bothered to read what you just wrote. Depression isn't normal.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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I saw an interesting human-interest piece on TV over the weekend. It was about one of the cofounders of Cisco. She lives on an 800-acre farm and spends her time being a farmer.

The reporter asked her about her 40-room mansion. What's it like to live there?

She said, "I don't know. I never live there. I live in an old wooden cabin in the woods"

This led to a cute exchange: "Are you eccentric?

"Yes, I am, but only because I have money. Before I was just weird"

I was laughing when she hit me with the real punch line. "I find that if I stay active, thinking, struggling with problems that I am the most happy"

I think a lot of what we might call "lazy" or "burnt-out" is really low-level depression. Are you struggling, thinking, actively engaging in some problem that you love? If so, the words "work" or "lazy" doesn't really mean much. If not, then can you allocate some part of your life where you are?

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to do things you don't like doing. The real question is whether you can engage yourself to struggle and think with some part of life that you encounter. If so, then do that. If not, then that sounds a lot like being depressed to me.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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That is a very unethical comment. Not impressed. The last thing somebody who is suffering from burn out and possibly depression needs to hear is that it's their own fault for being lazy. It only leads to making the problem deeper + worse, and can be a very dangerous mindset. I'd be careful to consider whether it's the right course for you too, given you report feeling exhausted and depressed. Even if so, and you see…

Actually, I just wanted to see if, on a thread about Burn-out, anyone would recognise it when they see it. Evidently, not. I'm in the fun dichotomy of knowing damned well that I'm at the end of my tether, burned-out beyond belief, and not having the time or energy to do a bloody thing about it. I work, from the moment I wake to the moment I fall asleep on my laptop, to the moment I'm woken 20 minutes later by a clien…

You really got me thinking here.

Have you heard of saying that path to hell is paved with good intentions?

I have seen two major categories of "asshole bosses":

1. The ones who don't care. These are in it only for the paycheck and maybe they want to see how far they can take it before they get sacked.

2. The ones who care too much. They want to be successful, they need to be seen as good example and will work themselves to madness trying to prove a point. They are also trying to achieve some ideal of their own, for which they feel it should not imposed on others. They think that they are running the show, but they rarely realize they are riding the wheel. Until they just cant take it anymore and drive everyone away.

There have been many people in your shoes. Arguably everyone who is in charge of other people has to face this situation sometimes in their career/life.

Perhaps you have read this essay from Derek Sivers, if you have not it might help you open your eyes and he even offers a pretty good strategy for dealing with your situation (http://sivers.org/delegate).

You say that you don't want to impose on your colleagues. What if there are some that want to be imposed? Who will leave you just because you didn't give them a chance to go through what you are going through now?

There might be people among them, probably most of them, who are willing to help you and have no need to see you suffering. For mutual benefit. They might help you if you are willing to admit the situation you are in.

I really hope you will be able to work it out. Go take a break. The world can do without you. Really. It will have to deal with you leaving one way or another.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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I know myself, and I'm usually quite disciplined. If I have to ask, I'm burnt out. Are you normally disciplined? If so, then if you have to ask, you probably are burnt out.

Rest isn't enough to deal with burn-out. Something needs to change: work habits may need to change (for example, maintain separation of work of home), change the project you're working on, start another hobby, make an effort to be more social, etc. If you take a week or two off, then come back to the same ol' thing, you'll be in the same place.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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People will do the minimum amount of work necessary for the maximal reward. If the minimum amount of work necessary is to just go "can't you just do it", they'll do just that. As to lumbering employees with this stuff - really, really can't. The guys we employ we employ as developers, not 24/7 unpaid support dogsbodies, which I am, as well as developer, accountant, project manager, salesman and all the rest. It's par…

Yes you can. People want a change too, now and then.

Anyways if you make it a communal affair everybody is going to like participating in it. People are inherently team players to the extent that we die or go mad alone.

I was in a team that was terribly overworked and there was shitloads of stuff needed to be done, which nobody did - since it wasn't anyone's job.

Here's what we did - everybody got a slice of work nobody wanted to do. A chore if you will. The system used to assign chores was simple - the guy complaining about some shit not being done, got to be the chief of this "department". He would set the standard, keep track of what is going on, report to the rest of the team and enforce the rules that we agreed upon collectively. We also collectively created a penalty system.

This the made certain that the shit that needed to be done, got done. The shit that didn't need to get done, didn't get done. Everybody got to participate in organization and got some hands on experience with how sausages get done, this is pretty important in engineering environments since a lot of people haven't really been in charge of anything in their lives.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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I saw an interesting human-interest piece on TV over the weekend. It was about one of the cofounders of Cisco. She lives on an 800-acre farm and spends her time being a farmer. The reporter asked her about her 40-room mansion. What's it like to live there? She said, "I don't know. I never live there. I live in an old wooden cabin in the woods" This led to a cute exchange: "Are you eccentric? "Yes, I am, but only beca…

> "Yes, I am, but only because I have money. Before I was just weird"

Not sure about the history of this woman but I am sure that she didn't inherit the money, she made it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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"...I'm just fine. Depressed and exhausted, yes..." I can't decide if your post is a joke or if your lifestyle is the joke.

It's good to know that HN is going down the same drain that reddit went down. Since when did hard work and dedication to one's tasks become a bad thing?

Ok, think about the endgame.

What happens when you Win. I mean you're working on a project/business right. So heres the key question.

What was the person embarking on the journey after, what were her ambitions and aspirations. And should you manage to get there, what is next. Will there even be a next step for this new person. Or has the goal consumed the person?

One of the most important lessons I have learned from Nejc Zaplotnik, who was at the time of his death tied with Reinhold Messner in Alpinism.

"The Path is the Goal. There is nothing more important in life than the Path. Goals are mere means, since once you reach a peak its never over, you take a look around and pick a new Goal. Therefore Goals are meaningless. The only thing that matters is the Path."

So if the pain you are enduring is a vital part of your path, then it is actually good. But if this pain is not the path - then get hell out now. Don't loose the sight of your path by looking at the goal.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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It's fine once you adjust your value system to recognise that work is life, and that everything else is basically irrelevant. No family to speak of (apart from the ones who expect a monthly cheque from me (brother, aunt, mother)), co-workers are employees, so not appropriate for me to talk about it with them!

This has to be a well-executed joke... Or someone who has severely lost track of perspective. You know it's done well when you really can't tell.

I'm going with "lost track of perspective" here. I've heard the same tune too many times to keep thinking that all those people are really very good dead-pan comedians.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if you're burnt out or just being lazy?

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I saw an interesting human-interest piece on TV over the weekend. It was about one of the cofounders of Cisco. She lives on an 800-acre farm and spends her time being a farmer. The reporter asked her about her 40-room mansion. What's it like to live there? She said, "I don't know. I never live there. I live in an old wooden cabin in the woods" This led to a cute exchange: "Are you eccentric? "Yes, I am, but only beca…

> "Yes, I am, but only because I have money. Before I was just weird" Not sure about the history of this woman but I am sure that she didn't inherit the money, she made it.

Daniel made no indication that she inherited it or otherwise didn't earn it.
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