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Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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The world is objectively a shitty, awful place for billions of people.

When in history has that not been true?

Before about 1800, when the world didn't have billions of people? And who knows how shitty it really did feel for most people throughout history, when they had little else to compare against.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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> My life is so good right now despite the world being terrible. The world is overwhelmingly amazing, not terrible. For the majority of people this is one of the best times to be alive in all of human history. Rivaled only by the years prior to the pandemic.

In the greater scheme of things, you’re probably right. On the other hand, 2019 was the last “normal” year we will experience for a very long time. That doesn’t feel good.

Just change your standard of normal? Those bland boring years before 2020 in which nothing bad ever happened.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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I was happy doing 40h, but after we had a baby I asked for 4 days instead for an undefined amount of time. Tbh, I don't think my productivity changed at all with the day dropped so it's a bit of a shame that the salary did.

But given I work in tech and basically get a very comfortable lifestyle either way, I don't think I'll go back to 5 days if possible. I know the current company won't push me to do it, and I interviewed with another which was fine with 4 days.

My wife also does 4 days (different), so my son gets an extra weekday with each of us independently which is also a great thing.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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It’s an interesting question. I’m at a fairly senior level so aside from meetings I’d say my work is semi-continuous as I think about the problems I’m working on regardless of if I’m at my desk or not. So I don’t really think the “hours on the clock” paradigm applies in one sense. It’s not unusual for me to knock out a couple casual meetings on Friday morning then just sign off and go for a hike. But again, there’s a…

> I’m at a fairly senior level so aside from meetings I’d say my work is semi-continuous as I think about the problems I’m working on regardless of if I’m at my desk or not.

This is true for me as well, but somehow my boss doesn’t seem to think that way. For the sake of consistency I think we should say time not spent at your desk is time off.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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Yup. Been for a few years now. Hired through normal application, full time developer on a team of 6-ish. Worked there for a few years before negotiating down to 90%; a day off every other week. Then a year after that negotiated down to 80%. Proportional salary cuts in both cases.

Wasn't very hard to convince them. Made sure I was available for whatever coordination is required. Made sure I still meet expectations. Argued that my productivity wouldn't fall proportionally to the drop in time. No one has complained. Was a few months of adaption to make people realize I'm normally not available one of the days a week, but everyone has taken it in stride. Most are a little jealous.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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I'm not, but I manage an engineer who recently asked. He's fantastic, why would I care? I just filled out a form with HR and he's now at 80% pay 4 days a week.

I treat him with respect and he treats me with respect. If it ends up turning into a really difficult situation for the team, we might have a discussion about how to improve. But honestly knowing he's out every Friday will probably be a good forcing function for us to have a day with few meetings etc.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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German here, where part-time arrangements in tech are somewhat normal. I negotiated my 32 hour work week right at the beginning, and there was no discussion about it, and none was expected. I kind of get only an 80% salary, which seems a bit unfair as studies prove that part-time workers are more efficient [1], but the way better work-life balance is definitely worth it. [1] Researching the validity of this claim is…

Agree on the 80% thing but it's so hard to quantify output that a simple formula probably ends up feeling the most fair to most people. Also, remember what another person pointed out—it's not really a 20% pay cut because it's your highest-taxed salary that's been cut.
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