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Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

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Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#61
I suffered through a catastrophically badly managed startup, back in 2015, and the experience was stressful while it was happening. The aftermath was uncertain. I had some rough months. But then I wrote a popular book about the whole experience, and it has been fascinating to see people's reaction to my experiences. Some say "He should have quit that company sooner" and others say "It's too bad the leadership couldn't pull itself together."

But my career really took off after that. As bad as the experience was, writing about it gave me a new audience and lead to some really great clients, and I've now enjoyed several years doing high level consulting.

For anyone interested, check out "How To Destroy A Tech Startup In Three Easy Steps":

https://www.amazon.com/Destroy-Tech-Startup-Easy-Steps/dp/09...

Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#62
These are distinct feelings.

Its not too late to start again and that has nothing to do with your age. You feeling miserable is partially from confusing these things and partially still a distinct unrelated thing.

Do you have alot if debt? Are you on the verge of declaring bankruptcy? Did you read too many articles where you think your future spouse is going to look down on you for not having a high credit score and being shut out of the mortgage market for the next 7 years?

Nobody cares. It doesn't matter. Go make some money to support and maintain your lifestyle.

Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#64
You will make it.

I can relate to that feeling.

If you wish to have a small chat send me an email (check profile) and I can share with you some things that were of help during some rough times I went through (no bullshit, real stuff for real people).

Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#65
"Everyone" who told you that you are late to start again are idiots. Don't listen to them. You are going to do great. It takes a great amount of resolve to step out of your comfort zone and work on your startup for 7 years. That tells me that you are going to succeed in whatever you are going to do next. Take a breath and focus on what's next.

Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#66
I wish I had some advice that will help but I have been in a bad place for almost four years now due to a startup not going well after a decade of work. I wasn't a founder and yet my entire sense of self worth was tied to what I was doing.

Now? I cannot even get past the first round of interviews at the vast majority of companies I interview at. I would like to say that it isn't because I cannot code, but at this point my sense of self worth in terms of programming is rock bottom. I make mistakes - sure all people do - but when coding and making mistakes or not catching bugs each instance is added to an enormous pile of ever growing pain that I place on myself: obviously this is why companies don't want me. Obviously this is why I have been making $60k on average for my entire career. Because I am not worth anything. Yes I know that making something is more than making nothing. Yet the way people throw around salary numbers on this site just makes me want to turn away from everything in despair.

To make matters worse I now work at a place that tasked me with leading a team to make fundamental changes to our product which the business is counting on to expand its sales. The employees' spoken language itself is not my native language. The entire system was rewritten with new tech - some of which I had no prior experience using. Oddly I didn't seem to have control over the technical decisions being made by the engineers on my team. When I voiced concerns or laid out criticism, someone complained (a junior with 3 months of bootcamp prior to his joining the company) and the director of engineering told me I was needed to stop harassing the team. One of those "if someone is liked it doesn't matter what they actually do" scenarios. Things didn't go well. We overshot our, I would say, ridiculously optimistic development timeline, which was originally set by the director to please the higher ups, by 50% (1 year 4 months -> 2 years 4 months). The directory threw me under the bus from my point of view.

Now I am trying to find a new workplace. This entire time I continuously ask myself if perhaps I am the problem and it destroys me.

I don't know what to say but I hope you are not mentally where I am. Hopefully you find a way out. As someone older than you I guess I can say: you have more time than I do at least.

Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#67

I have this line from @alexwestco's Twitter bio in a deck of daily inspiration that my planner software cycles through: > Currently at $300k/yr with http://cyberleads.com . Previously failed with 19 products. Failing doesn't mean you're a failure . It's just feedback from the world that something about what you were doing didn't work. Sometimes it's product, sometimes it's marketing, sometimes it's behaviors in your…

Thanks. Cyberleads seems like the epitome of what a Startup would expect to go through, and its product also looks great. Noted this down.

Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#68
Brother, my 2nd startup was 5 years old, lost a ton of money and time. Had to kill it and pivot to a 3rd one at 36. This one is doing better, much better.

It is tough. But if there was no risk involved in doing a startup wouldn’t every tom, dick and Harry have done it already? You put yourself through big risk for asymmetric gains, isn’t it? This pain is the risk that played out this time.

Just take a break; get onto the salary wagon for a few months; gain back your mental peace and confidence and then come back.

Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#69

Contrary to popular belief, the highest chance of success, and largest entrepreneurial successes, come from founders who are 47 years old when they start their companies. You are still 10 years away from the statistical "peak" to start your startup. Yes you will recover. This experience may be exactly what you need to become great. It's your choice to either hide from it and whither away in regret or face it head on…

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Re: Ask HN: Will I Ever Recover?

#70

I wish I had some advice that will help but I have been in a bad place for almost four years now due to a startup not going well after a decade of work. I wasn't a founder and yet my entire sense of self worth was tied to what I was doing. Now? I cannot even get past the first round of interviews at the vast majority of companies I interview at. I would like to say that it isn't because I cannot code, but at this poi…

I’m in my 30s and various mental health issues have prevented me from working stably my entire life. Your $60K avg income life is a model citizen compared to mine.

For me now slowly leetcoding away, what’s helping is having less and less expectations. I can’t separate the awful feeling you also have of absolutely dogging yourself and having no sense of worth. Logically I know it’s not true, though that isn’t much help. But seeing the numbers people get from leetcoding and interviewing, I know realistically I have a shot to begin rising now that I’ve conquered my debilitating issues enough, even if the self compassion isn’t there.

PS: ever thought of trying a tech interview bootcamp? Your middle job seemed miserable. And you’re talking about pretty low income. https://Coachable.dev and a distant second, https://Outco.io, are two such ones.

If you do think about doing the bootcamps (I’m doing one and a friend is doing the other) or leetcode grinding on your own, feel free to shoot me an email :). It’s in my bio. This whole comment is a lot more positive than how things actually are. Partially because I don’t hide who I am so I don’t want to sound as despondent and reveal too much.

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