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Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#61
For me, talk about "de-googling" and other such processes comes down to really thinking about what your goals are. It's easy to get into a binary all-or-nothing frame of reference, which I don't think is constructive as for most use cases "some" is still significantly different from "none."

My own goals/use cases:

- I'm unhappy with the current economics of the online world, that are based on advertising. I accept that developing products requires money, and getting money requires a business model, so if I don't like the incentives ad-based business creates, I should actively support alternative models

- I'm unhappy with the intrusiveness of tracking. I think consent is important -- not as a legal concept, but as a regular human being understands it. When I interact with a person or organization, I can meaningfully give consent for their actions. I can't meaningfully give consent to what some third party who isn't part of that interaction does, regardless of the legal fine print that says.

- I'm happy that the internet has become mainstream and people who aren't "tech people" use it.

- I'm not concerned with targeted attacks, but am concerned with opportunistic attacks against my online accounts and identities.

- Yes, "identities" -- I believe people should be able to have multiple identities online.

With those criteria, my current set up:

- password manager -- no reusued passwords. Whole family uses this.

- Fastmail. Because I use email so much, it's clearly a valuable service for me. So it' worth paying for -- I'm many years out from being a broke college student.

- A domain I purchased just for emails, and make use of subdomain addressing. I tend to use a different subdomain email per service. Goes to the goal of multiple identities, reducing tracking and reducing opportunistic attacks

- I've kept my gmail address and forward it to my fastmail, because I don't want to make my personal contacts use a different email address than they have for years. Maybe I'll change that some day, but I'm ok with _reducing_ rather than _eliminating_ google in my life

- FireFox. Also Mozilla VPN, to give Mozilla some money, though in practice I don't really have a frequent use for VPN.

- Duck Duck Go

- Ublock Origin

- Subscriptions to a handful of news outlets I read frequently. Print subscription for one of them!

- Separate computer for work vs personal

Biggest gap I'm still uncomfortable with: Shopping on Amazon.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do like the idea of GrapheneOS, I just don't feel 100% comfortable running hardware made by Google.

I'm quite sure the hardware is fine. From what I recall google phones actually have some of the best security hardware. It's one of the reasons GrapheneOS chose Nexus/Pixel phones as official base as well as the long support for those devices. What is the alternative? Running some chinese hardware and chips? I guess iPhones would work but you have no real softwarecontrol over those. And what do you worry about regard…

> "And what do you worry about regarding the hardware if I may ask? That there is some way the hardware bypases the software running on the device and send out information?"

Yes, the firmware.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#63

i think those who go through all this hassle must value their data more than their time. most of these services are inferior to the google service imo. and many of these alternatives may leak or sell your data too. if you're paranoid then DTA. it's far better to hide in the crowd then to use some browser developed by 4 people with anime emojis on github. also, I trust google won't get hacked far more than the others.…

I agree, a big issue with deGoogling is the lack of simplicity and cross compatibility, it makes life a lot harder in the digital age. Another issue is that your digital footprint says a lot about you to these data collecting agencies, and using a bunch of privacy focused technology is something that makes a good data point on you as a person and your beliefs. I think the best way to regain privacy is incrementally and changing lifestyle, making yourself less dependent on technology in the first place and substituting closed source solutions with minimal serverless open source solutions.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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Youtube: Odysee (with an extension that auto redirects youtube to odysee if it exists for the video) I only use google for youtube (if the content isn't on odysee) and gmail. How are the gmail alternatives? Can I use my custom domain for free on any? Have self-hosting solutions come close to gmail with spam filters?

I really wanted to like Odysee, but the community and dominant content are really not for me. The Politics section especially seems to be dominated by people who are either banned or expect to be banned from YouTube - and not without reason. I really wish PeerTube was more of a thing.

I watch mostly the same channels than on youtube, but yes if the platform is netural you will get everything, thats the point.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#66
I went through the process of de-Googling my life a few months ago after the announcement that the free tier of GAFYD was finally going away. I had been wanting to do the change for years but postponing it out of laziness, and that was the trigger that finally did it. (I know they backtracked on their decision, but I'm glad I ripped off the band-aid.)

Here is the excruciating process I had to follow in more detail, in case it may help anyone else: https://jmmv.dev/2022/03/abandoning-gafyd.html

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Officially, yes. There are unofficial versions. As it happens, I'm being gifted a Pixel 4, so full steam ahead. Check their site/wiki for info, if this interests you.

I do like the idea of GrapheneOS, I just don't feel 100% comfortable running hardware made by Google.

Perhaps not perfect but in consideration of some of the barriers other OEMs may posses with a security device I think the situation reads as 'being better than the alternatives'. Pixels are also an reference device by Google for Google so that is another incentive for them to suck less.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#69
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to like Odysee, but the community and dominant content are really not for me. The Politics section especially seems to be dominated by people who are either banned or expect to be banned from YouTube - and not without reason. I really wish PeerTube was more of a thing.

I watch mostly the same channels than on youtube, but yes if the platform is netural you will get everything, thats the point.

No, you really don't. You get an exaggeration of the margins of society (very often one specific direction) that is discriminated against elsewhere, unless you're also the biggest and most profitable platform. And that's YouTube.

You saw the same effect with Gab. These spaces become polarized very fast based on who is already there and what the admins believe is adequate moderation.

Odysee seems more right leaning. I don't see queer content creators on there, for instance, despite YouTube heavily demonetizing and recommendation-banning them too.

This is why I really want federated spaces, because they can serve different margins of society without becoming isolated islands.

Folding Ideas made this point (about VidMe) half a decade ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3snVCRo_bI

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing contact records required confirmation sent to the e-mail address of the owner record. Ultimately, in case of domain theft/dispute or similar, the domain's owner record has highest authority.

> Changing contact records required confirmation sent to the e-mail address of the owner record. I just changed the email in the owner field in namecheap. I did not receive a confirmation email. (At the old one, I did to the new one) > Ultimately, in case of domain theft/dispute or similar, the domain's owner record has highest authority. I would highly suspect in a court of law that is not true. You see, you have a…

I mean no offense, but it looks like you're just providing guesswork and making up answers.

> "I would highly suspect in a court of law that is not true."

OK, but why, and in what court and in what legal system?

> "You see, you have a contract with the registar for the domain."

It's not the registrar that sells the domain. They are brokers between registrant and the entity owning the TLD, and registrars also have domestic laws to abide to.

> "You can put whatever information you want there ..."

No you can't, not in European nations part of the EU. While not legally enforced, registrars based here are required to request and urge customers to put accurate and truthful information there. Some of them (e.g. OVH) even require personal identification documents in order to register a domain. In my case, with my .se domain, I cannot change anything in the contact records without providing verifiable identification data - part of which goes into my contact records.

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