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Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Stopping people from using AI is sort of like banning people from doing math. Maybe it can work for awhile, but in the long run computers just keep getting faster, and algorithms to make effective use of existing hardware get better.

I'm more interested in the question of who benefits from AI? If it just creates more concentration of wealth then the world may be worse off. If it benefits all humanity, then the world is better off. How do we get the latter instead of the former? It might come down to sensible tax codes enacted by well-functioning democracy. Or maybe we need to invent whole new economic systems.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Stopping people from using AI is sort of like banning people from doing math. Maybe it can work for awhile, but in the long run computers just keep getting faster, and algorithms to make effective use of existing hardware get better. I'm more interested in the question of who benefits from AI? If it just creates more concentration of wealth then the world may be worse off. If it benefits all humanity, then the world…

I agree, we need to adapt to a world increasingly powered by AI. Trying to stop or ban AI is just putting off planning how to adapt, and will make the world worse, not better. Also, an AI ban would likely be implemented unevenly around the world, leading some countries to have a significant advantage.

I see AI as a new tool and an advantage for humanity in general. Work to negate how the tool can be used as a disadvantage, as with every new or evolving technology.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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In my opinion, yes, of course such a movement would find traction. We've seen similar movements at every major technological shift in human history. Some examples off the top of my head are certain types of Orthodox Jewish religions and the Amish. Even the term "sabotage" was from workers throwing their shoes ("sabos") into machines for fear of them losing their jobs [0]. There's been a steady stream of anarchists, l…

Today's transformer networks are the first hints of a technology that will replace humans completely for all purposes. It's qualitatively different, like world-destroying atomic bombs versus the minor explosives that came before. This is not like a loom replacing hand-weaving. We're rapidly converging on a full replacement for the human mind. These systems will not defeat you with guns like in Terminator. They will d…

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Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Today's transformer networks are the first hints of a technology that will replace humans completely for all purposes. It's qualitatively different, like world-destroying atomic bombs versus the minor explosives that came before. This is not like a loom replacing hand-weaving. We're rapidly converging on a full replacement for the human mind. These systems will not defeat you with guns like in Terminator. They will d…

There is a complete and utter annihilation of a generation in a rolling 120 year window. That is, there is, to most anyone's knowledge, no human older than 120 years. We've lost every single person from generations that are older than 120 years ago. We call this "natural" but otherwise completely accept this death of billions. Our children will propagate whatever it is to be human forward. If the next generation is c…

I think similarly, but I dont think of humanity as “going forward”. We are right here and stationary, like a flower blooming. If the next step of earth’s unfolding involves humans relinquishing our position to machines then so be it, but it isn’t progress any more than a dance is progress.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Why not refuse to pay for taxis as well? Automobiles have replaced carriage drivers.

In the early twentieth century, coach driving professionals suddenly found themselves out of a job, having to switch careers and adapt. Some never recovered, but it was a net benefit for society.

Do you also want to bring back factory assembly line jobs?

Do you think “commoditization” of intelligence and creativity, whatever that means exactly, is a new phenomenon?

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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This is a delusion “if we refuse to pay for self-driving taxis on moral grounds (the same way we might refuse to eat factory-farmed chickens) society can make these businesses unprofitable.”

The idea that peoples behavior can be controlled by a minority preaching a moral agenda is total fantasy. I promise you the silence from the crowd is because their mouthes are filled with affordable factory farmed chicken. Of the 8 billion people hailing a ride how many do you think would rather pay double and stand in the rain? Just you and a small handful of friends - and the irony is that people with your attitude have no place to go. Many closed doors in the future for you

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