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Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

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Post by teilo »

kaycebasques wrote: post #35

I personally would take a step back and get rid of any assumption about why I did not get a raise. You have jumped to the conclusion that you did not get a raise because of some personal defects. It could just as well be that 80% of the company was profoundly undercompensated whereas you are already compensated in line with market rates. I think it's reasonable to expect your manager to provide more details. I would…

> It could just as well be that 80% of the company was profoundly undercompensated whereas you are already compensated in line with market rates.

As a manager, I cannot emphasize this enough. It happens all the time.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

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Post by happymellon »

brianwawok wrote: post #16
happymellon wrote: post #2

Sounds a bit shit. If you can find a better work environment then quit. I wouldn't work weekends without some form of recognition, which is sounds like you are not getting.

I mean, why would you give 80% of a company a raise and not this guy? Sounds like maybe he isn't someone they want to keep around long term?

Indeed, it sounds like they want him to leave and if he isn't getting on with the other engineers it might be for the best for everyone.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#63

Post by corrral »

nicoburns wrote: post #59
corrral wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All bets are off if you have even minimal "fuck you" money, of course. Most people don't, though. They can't go long without a job, and having a gap on their résumé is scary (for good reason—if you need a job, anything that might make getting the next one a little harder isn't good).

> having a gap on their résumé is scary I always hear this, but nobody has ever questioned me when I said I took a few months just because I could and wanted some time off.

As a candidate just another question to worry about, even if it doesn't actually come up, and at best the result of it coming up is neutral, not positive for you. The more you need the job, the more stressful that sort of thing is.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#64

Post by treis »

teilo wrote: post #61
kaycebasques wrote: post #35

I personally would take a step back and get rid of any assumption about why I did not get a raise. You have jumped to the conclusion that you did not get a raise because of some personal defects. It could just as well be that 80% of the company was profoundly undercompensated whereas you are already compensated in line with market rates. I think it's reasonable to expect your manager to provide more details. I would…

> It could just as well be that 80% of the company was profoundly undercompensated whereas you are already compensated in line with market rates. As a manager, I cannot emphasize this enough. It happens all the time.

It's very unlikely that a developer hired 4+ years ago is compensated in line with market rates. The market has gone bananas in that time and it would be very rare for a company proactively give raises big enough to match.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#65

Post by apexkid »

Unless you were recently hired, you should look out for another job and quit. The argument that you are already compensated as per market standards only holds true if you were hired less than an year ago. Also, the company should have given you raise even if it was smaller value in percentage terms. Not giving any raise is a clear indication.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#66

Post by kcplate »

rsyring wrote: post #42
codingdave wrote: post #9

If you admit to being offensive and often having conflicts, it sounds like you already have an idea of why you did not get a raise. I'd tell your boss that refusal to talk about makes you feel like you are not wanted there, so if they do want you on the team, that discussion needs to happen. And if it doesn't, then yes - it sounds like there are some problems in both directions, so maybe it is time to find something…

> I'd tell your boss that refusal to talk about makes you feel like you are not wanted there... IMO, he's probably not wanted there given what he's said about himself and that the boss won't talk about it. The whole situation sounds to me like they don't want to fire him but are hoping he'll leave.

> The whole situation sounds to me like they don't want to fire him but are hoping he'll leave

Depending on where the company is located, I would say this could be likely. In certain places, an intentional termination of any sort, can result in legally mandated exit payout packages.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#67

Post by asthar »

It sounds like emotional support from your boss is important to you. It also sounds like your current manager isn't someone who can provide that (refusing to talk validates this). I personally think that your work place should feel psychologically safe and should enable you to thrive (very important for your long-term career success). You are probably feeling let down by this event and your wanting to quit is a fair reaction. You probably should. But I'd recommend making a plan, getting a job somewhere you'll find that emotional support, and then quitting. Also, because the market is kind of weird right now. All the best!

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#68

Post by kcplate »

pkrotich wrote: post #38

Sounds like you’re a brilliant asshole. Some developers can sometimes lack the social skills to work cohesively with a team especially if they regard everyone as beneath them when it comes to IQ (stupid). It’s a good thing you recognize friction points - perhaps it’s something you can work on?

I can tell you from my experience in management, if a “brilliant asshole” isn’t perceived as being invaluable, they are generally not worth the cultural chaos in the organization they cause. I have exited quite a few extremely smart folks simply because their personalities created toxicity far beyond their value.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#69

Post by teilo »

treis wrote: post #64
teilo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It could just as well be that 80% of the company was profoundly undercompensated whereas you are already compensated in line with market rates. As a manager, I cannot emphasize this enough. It happens all the time.

It's very unlikely that a developer hired 4+ years ago is compensated in line with market rates. The market has gone bananas in that time and it would be very rare for a company proactively give raises big enough to match.

It's not unlikely at all. I've seen it many times.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

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Post by hansor »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #21

> and I'm very offensive when it comes to handling projects Offensive as in aggressive? or offensive as in rude? the latter will only hinder you. You can have a no-nonsense attitude without being annoying. > no "thank you" for working in weekends for example stop working weekends if you aren't getting paid for it

offensive as in aggressive/agile/slick/no-nonsense/not lazy
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