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Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#61

In many, but not all programs on windows you can paste plain text by using ctrl+shift+v. Outlook desktop is one of the few places where this hotkey does not work. Before I knew there was a native hotkey combo, I created a autohotkey script that would do that and had a mini-tutorial that showed how. https://forum.digikey.com/t/add-a-digi-key-search-hotkey-eve...

Oh wow I had always gotten into the habit of copying into a simple text editor first if I wanted to strip out the formatting.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#63

In many, but not all programs on windows you can paste plain text by using ctrl+shift+v. Outlook desktop is one of the few places where this hotkey does not work. Before I knew there was a native hotkey combo, I created a autohotkey script that would do that and had a mini-tutorial that showed how. https://forum.digikey.com/t/add-a-digi-key-search-hotkey-eve...

I hate outlook blocking that. No idea why you would implement that not working.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#65

Thank you for posting this, I wanted to ask HN about it sometime. I have no clue why somebody thought this was a good idea. In 20 years of using computers everyday, I have never, EVER, had the need to copy the source format into whatever thing I'm doing. On the contrary, every single time I open Notepad, paste it there and copy it again ... I know about ctrl+shift+v or something, but I never get it right and also I a…

If you are copying over, for example, a paragraph or a list for a paper, you'd want the formatting, right? (I don't really have a horse in this fight, primarily use LaTeX for this sort of stuff, but I find it vaguely interesting -- it seems to be a case where people have workflows that they are really invested in).

>If you are copying over, for example, a paragraph or a list for a paper, you'd want the formatting, right?

Not really. For lists it may make some sense, but then if it brings the bullet style/spacing/etc from the source it still wouldn't work for me.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#66
post #57

Trying to literally answer your question of who came up with this: I'm pretty sure Windows 95 already allowed rich text on the clipboard (using the RTF format), and at least Word and Excel both supported it. Mac OS X also had RTF support from the start. Nowadays most desktop applications write HTML to the clipboard instead of RTF, I believe. And that's how the formatting ends up in your Gmail editor inside a browser.

MacOS Classic 6.0 (maybe even earlier) also included formatting on the clipboard. Don’t think it was rtf in those days though. But definitely preserved formatting as early as 1990. Maybe earlier.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#67
This has been how I remember copy/paste working on the on the Alto back in the 1970s. I believe copy/paste was invented by Larry Tesler and it wasn't just in the editor (Bravo/Gypsy -- I can no longer remember) but worked this way in other programs as well.

PARC was a magical place back then.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#69

In many, but not all programs on windows you can paste plain text by using ctrl+shift+v. Outlook desktop is one of the few places where this hotkey does not work. Before I knew there was a native hotkey combo, I created a autohotkey script that would do that and had a mini-tutorial that showed how. https://forum.digikey.com/t/add-a-digi-key-search-hotkey-eve...

On Mac you can do shift+option+command+v to paste with formatting removed.

I think you just need to add shift, option is not necessary.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#70
On a Mac, copying text from my terminal to Outlook, or to Excel, copies in formatting too. A little frustrating when you copy text from a dark mode theme into a non-dark mode theme and it looks like nothing was copied at all because its all just 'white'.
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