I'm an American, living in the US, and for situations like Ukraine specifically, I don't believe anything right away. War is chaotic, and social media makes it more so. It costs me nothing to reserve judgement, because nothing depends on me except that I might accidentally share false info. Better to stay quiet, think, and wait. The truth may come out eventually. No one cares if I personally think it's true, but ther…
Ask HN: How do you deal with lies on the internet?
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#63I'm an American, living in the US, and for situations like Ukraine specifically, I don't believe anything right away. War is chaotic, and social media makes it more so. It costs me nothing to reserve judgement, because nothing depends on me except that I might accidentally share false info. Better to stay quiet, think, and wait. The truth may come out eventually. No one cares if I personally think it's true, but ther…
i sorta disagree, the other day I told one of my neighbours I didnt follow a piece of news that was local and was waiting for it to blow over so people would let me forget about it. They got aggressive about how one of the 2 sides was definitely wrong. this is to say that sometimes people will get angry with you for having no opinion
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#64Good question. Most of the news you read about the conflict are fake at the moment. Videogames footage has been used, old footage from years ago as well. The western media even used footage of Ukraine soldiers committing crimes of war, branding them as Russian soldiers, in the general indifference. You have to understand, that as of now the western media have entered the war propaganda mode. If you want to inform you…
How does watching a state-controlled propaganda channel offer a "differing point of view"?
Isn't the goal to be exposed to truth, as opposed to a smorgasbord of different forms of propaganda?
Is it that you want want to understand what the perspective of someone who lives in Russia is going to be, acknowledging that the average person's information sources are likely highly state-propaganda-filtered?
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#65Follow the money.
You used to be able to rely more on coincidence counting - meaning more sources saying the same thing means its more likely to be true. That has way less weight when one tweet gets shared, articles written about it, then people tweet the articles, and it comes full circle. You can manifest "facts" easily. And most news reports the same original source. But it's still useful if you can triangulate with multiple high-quality sources, or sources of conflicting persuasion. NBC reporting X is worth 1 unit. NBC, ABC, CNN reporting X is still just 1 unit. But CNN, Fox, Al Jazeera, and AP all reporting X is worth 2-3 units. There should be a logarithmic curve to your confidence. Any situation could flip on its head.
Think like a Bayesian. Every statement should have some prior probability of being correct, near 50/50. Increase the weight if the source is good, it jives with other things you are confident in; decrease it if the sources is bad or it doesn't sit right. De-rate "shocking" information - it tends to outspeed quality but nuanced info.
Knowing who to distrust is often more useful than knowing who to trust. It's often easier to infer as well. Create a mental "trustworthiness score". You start by identifying low quality reporting or straight up lies. This drops a sources' score. Other news from that source is also likely to be bad. Other sources that cluster near this source are also likely to be bad.
All media can be faked (manually or with AI), but at this time, deepfakes have some glaring limitations, and most fakes are in fact "cheapfakes" of the lowest possible effort. Why spend time photoshopping when you can just slap a misleading caption on an old photo?
The information firehose - tweets, shares, comments sections - can be useful for cutting edge info and building the big picture, but wielding it is an art. Most is gossip. Often the most popular/liked opinion is simply wrong, but also often, the truth is there deeper in the thread, but buried. Bullshitting is easy, but speaking facts is hard and time consuming. Look for "rich"/"deep" comments that show someone doing their homework.
I'm loathe to recommend any particular sources (you should develop your own), but I'm partial to the OSINT groups like Bellingcat. AP and Reuters are decent for "mainstream" media.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if that is the same SkyNews that we have here but if it is I would avoid it like the plague. It's effectively our version of Fox News. If you want something non-biased (from Australia that is) then ABC News or SBS World News is as close as you are going to get. Both are funded explicitly in a way that avoids biases (but also why our government has been trying to take said funding away...).
No way is SkyNews as partisan as Fox. You'd never see someone like Sam Coates for example on Fox. And he's not the only one.
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#68This is what the people sewing misinformation in the first place want. You can act their pawn and ignore the world around you, leading to making underinformed choices at the polls, at the newsstand or wherever, or you can trust your own bullshit detector.
It's hard to have this conversation when you just write off every source of information. Most of the established news sources get the facts correct, and from there, it's a matter of ignoring the analysis/opinion sections. AP and Reuters are two trustworthy sources that pretty much stick to the facts. Most of the top 25% of this chart is pretty good, TBH: https://adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/?utm_source=HomePage_St...
Also, keep in mind, humans write these stories. Getting one thing wrong here or there is not an indictment of that writer or their publication, if it's handled properly by printing a correct or retraction.
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#70I'm an American, living in the US, and for situations like Ukraine specifically, I don't believe anything right away. War is chaotic, and social media makes it more so. It costs me nothing to reserve judgement, because nothing depends on me except that I might accidentally share false info. Better to stay quiet, think, and wait. The truth may come out eventually. No one cares if I personally think it's true, but ther…
> costs me nothing to reserve judgement i sorta disagree, the other day I told one of my neighbours I didnt follow a piece of news that was local and was waiting for it to blow over so people would let me forget about it. They got aggressive about how one of the 2 sides was definitely wrong. this is to say that sometimes people will get angry with you for having no opinion